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If the production model actually looked like this, it’d be on the short list of replacement options for me!Tangential, but the future is unknown to the public. They are releasing the first look at what their brainstorming behind the scenes for the next generation like this concept
In addition, we do know they are benchmarking alot of particle ev offerings from rivian and tesla and legacy oems. If one direction of LC will include evs, we should see some mules (if you when were to look) similar to how they were testing the 300 series chassis in the south west under 200 series cabins.
Unfortunately I’m sure it’d go the way of the Chevy volt when it comes time for the manufacturing of it. I.e. concept car looked GREAT and production model looks like dogsh*t
This is probably the wildest thread out there now. Went from 200 series vs. 250 not being LCs (At least not with a PRADO label attached to it) to dog breeds to EVs to real LCs have tail gates to easy women in America. Can't wait to hear whats next...
Now that I have you, have you heard of the church of 5w30?This is probably the wildest thread out there now. Went from 200 series vs. 250 not being LCs (At least not with a PRADO label attached to it) to dog breeds to EVs to real LCs have tail gates to easy women in America. Can't wait to hear whats next...
There it is! On a long enough timeline all threads lead to 5w30.
Dont think epa had much to do with it. They decided to make it a luxury vehicle, and price in the stratosphere.
Hence why you only see LX600 and not LC300 in the USA.
From an emissions perspective, the government had everything to do with it.
it is spendy, but that's not necessarily why the LC 300 never made it here.
This is likely the most straight forward explanation. CAFE and all its consequences.
This and "overall fleet MPG" numbers I'm sure played a BIG part.
How does a 3.5TT in a LC300 have different emissions than the same 3.5TT in a LX600?
Bottom line is if an LX600 can come to the USA market, an equivalent LC300 could have also.
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Yes, but as you said above Toyota decided to stick with luxurious and they did not want to keep running two luxurious pricey SUVs, as they were doing before. On top of that, they (smartly so) created a big momentum/deal about the LC being killed in the US and used that to fool the US market into a new "Land Cruiser" which is in fact a PRADO, knowing the shopping moms would not care about the LC300.
In fact, they would prefer the PRADO as it is lighter and easier to maneuver like the GX470, which is the proper compare to the "new land cruiser". I have said this here already, 80% to 90% of old GX470s I see on the road are driven by females. Have already seen tons of reports here and in other sites that guys bought a new GX or LC PRADO and their spouses love it in comparison to the heavy-tank 200. Some kept the 200 to themselves and have the new toy as the "wife's rig" aka mall crawler/school run/soccer practice mobile.
I’m already seeing more of the hybrid Landcruisers driving around than I ever saw 200s during its whole lifecycle. We all know it’s about the money.
Theres another thing too, in America we have plenty of financing and leasing options. So it encourages consumerism and disposable cars. Toyota doesn’t run any decent lease programs, because with the resale value of a Land Cruiser they really could. So you’re faced with financing $85,000 Toyota vs a $0 down $1000 lease (pre covid craziness) on an X7 with a 500 horsepower v8, 400+ miles of range, all the new tech, much more friendly to drive.
Where the 200/300 is popular, I would wager most of them are bought cash and will be kept in the family for many years. In this use case people can easily see money well spent.
Theres another thing too, in America we have plenty of financing and leasing options. So it encourages consumerism and disposable cars. Toyota doesn’t run any decent lease programs, because with the resale value of a Land Cruiser they really could. So you’re faced with financing $85,000 Toyota vs a $0 down $1000 lease (pre covid craziness) on an X7 with a 500 horsepower v8, 400+ miles of range, all the new tech, much more friendly to drive.
Where the 200/300 is popular, I would wager most of them are bought cash and will be kept in the family for many years. In this use case people can easily see money well spent.
The biggest issue for me is the lack of a usable third row in the new LC250 and the GX550 Overtrail models. My kids are young so they fit just fine in the 200, and I want them to experience the outdoors in areas that are hard to access. Unfortunately, this use case means we'd have to go with a new Sequoia which feels incredibly tight on the inside compared to a 200... not that I'm ever giving up my LX570.
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Same here. Most of them are replacing 5th gen 4runners and GX 460s.
Amen on all of this.
This is exactly who the 250 is for.
I take issue with the luxury vehicle part, as I posted previously in this thread. At least the earlier 200's were not overtly luxury, not at all when compared to the 80's and 100's. Regarding the higher price, the vehicle was overbuilt and joyfully bought by those in the know. If you want a luxury SUV go buy an Escalade or Navigator, neither of which are built as well and cost much less.
Unfortunately the LC buyer in the market for an updated version has the obnoxious LX600 (sorry to those who like them, I've tried), or the new Prado LC (not that it's labeled that in the US) to choose from. For me, I'm keeping the 200 as long as possible (and my 80 for that matter).
Sound like a potential growth or future sale situation for Toyota?
I’ve noticed this my way as well. I counted three gx550s and five LC250’s in Costco parking lot yesterday.
I see more 250’s some days then 80+100+200 combined.
Funny.
My wife mostly drives the 200. She signed up for a month of car wash deals, they logged it as a 4 runner.
