1HD-T to HJ61

[petermac]

Just a hypothetical question, but has anyone swapped a 1HD-T into an HJ61. I own neither, but I'm considering buying an HJ61 (or an HZJ73) and I'm wondering what my options would be if the 12HT craps out on me or if I get a hankerin' for more power and better fuel efficiency. I've heard it said that the 12HT is going to become harder and harder to find parts for.

Also, if anyone has any views to share on the HJ61, please do. I'm looking for (a good balance of) power and fuel economy matched with offroad capability on par with or near to my 78 FJ40 and good road manners. It'll be a daily driver as well as weekend backcountry warrior.

Lastly, can anyone share their fuel economy figures for their HJ61. I'd like to think one might see 24-26mpg highway. Am I far off on that?

Thanks

 

[expat]

Well having both a FJ40 and an HJ61 I guess I oughta speak up.

Don't know anything about swapping engines, never occurred to me. A fair amount of people are stocking parts, both new and used in Canada. I am also counting on typical Toyota reliability. Many of the parts would be exchangeble with a 2H or could likely replace with another 24v industrial part. Alternators, vacuum pumps and starters can all be rebuilt. I have thought of buying the engine rebuild kit, just to put on a shelf however.

Lets face it, power and mileage don't really go hand in hand. I get about 16-18 mpg, but none of my driving is highway (there aren't any where I live), so I'm not be taking advantage of the lockout 4th gear on the AT.

Creature comforts. 61 is lightyears ahead of the 40, but far behind that of the 81. My 61 drive much nicer than the 40, but hey, it's still aleaf sprung heavy truck. I guess it all depends on what you want. I think we can all agree that you won't give up any off road capability with buying any one of them.

You could probably arrange to drive one of each if you arranged it with the importers. Get a cheap westjet ticket out to Vancouver and drive one home.

 

[petermac]

Thanks Expat,

I appreciate your insight. I'm dissapointed to hear you only get between 16 and 18mpg. I was hoping to find that the HJ61 (5spd manual mind you) gets closer to 20-22mpg around town. Of course anything sounds good compared to 11-13mpg in my FJ40.

Is the 81 as durable and capable offroad as the 61? What ever I get it's going to see regular abuse on washed out, rutted, washboard, rock-strewn logging roads getting out to the camp.

Also, does $21,500 seem like too much to pay for a near mint, fully loaded HJ61 with 99K on it?

 

[roscoFJ73]

Just a hypothetical question, but has anyone swapped a 1HD-T into an HJ61. I own neither, but I'm considering buying an HJ61 (or an HZJ73) and I'm wondering what my options would be if the 12HT craps out on me or if I get a hankerin' for more power and better fuel efficiency. I've heard it said that the 12HT is going to become harder and harder to find parts for.

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The 12HT had a short run but was made in large numbers. Whie parts maybe difficult to obtain in North America they are still quite common in Japan and Australia for the time being.
As the 1HD T was not sold in north america you will always be sourcing parts from overseas anyway.

When you do find a HJ61,begin stocking up on parts,at least enough for an engine rebuild if you plan on keeping it for a long time.

I just feel a 12HT is too good to junk and replace with a 1HD -T.
The headaches and cost of installing a 1HD-T for a little more HP dont seem worth it
If your still concerned about parts availabilty,go for the HZJ73.

Ive always fantasized about having a 12HT in a 73 series

 

[brownbear]

offroad fun, go with the HZJ73.

Its better and closer to the 40.

60 has a huge overhang on the back and gets hung up all time.

But if your a family hauler, 60 is better and is still capable offroad. Just not in the same way as the 73.

good luck.

 

[beanz2]

The HZJ73 probably would be much easier to obtain parts for in the future. As Rosco said, the 12HT is a discontinued engine and the 1HZ is still a current engine. The 1HZ is a North American engine (though not sold for on road use) and the 12HT isn't.

The HZJ73 can be turbocharged if you want more power later on, putting a 1HDT into the HJ61 would be much more complicated.

But I'm not impartial toward the 70 series

Dave

 

[OursSauvage]

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I just feel a 12HT is too good to junk and replace with a 1HD -T.

Of course !!!!
DON'T do that!
The 12ht is incredibly better than the 1hdt, even if he got less horses.
The pleasure is totally differents
And also the maintenance cost.
If you need, you can put an Intercooler on the 12HT (search mayfr on the german 's web) and get 165hp (200hp in R&D test) (146hp on stock version)

 

[expat]

OK ours Sauvage... you have my curiousity piqued? Your sig says France, but next in Canada? What does that mean?

Do you have any links for "search mayfr on the german 's web" ? I looked but did not find...

My HJ looks very similar to the one in your JDM photo album.

Mike

 

[roscoFJ73]

Also, does $21,500 seem like too much to pay for a near mint, fully loaded HJ61 with 99K on it?

I guess if you want to pay it,its worth it ,although it does sound highish.
On the other hand they are not about to become more available.
Its not the only one going for that kind of money either.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/WHITE-LIGHTNING-TURBO-CHARGED-LANDCRUISER- edited white lightning seems to have "bolted" from ebay,but it was a 61 series going for $25000 BIN

IMO you would be better off with an 80 series in that price range.
From my observations the 80 series are probably the most rust resistant landcruiser ever made.

 

[OursSauvage]

OK ours Sauvage... you have my curiousity piqued? Your sig says France, but next in Canada? What does that mean?[/QUOTE]
This summer, i'm gonna leave France to come living in Quebec

Do you have any links for "search mayfr on the german 's web" ? I looked but did not find...

I will search the doc I had and I will give you (sorry, it's Mayr, not Mayfr)

 

[OursSauvage]

http://joomla.rinho.org/pdf/MAYR_IN2.pdf
http://joomla.rinho.org/pdf/MAYR_INT.pdf

But I don't speak german....

 

[Greg_B]

Just a hypothetical question, but has anyone swapped a 1HD-T into an HJ61. I own neither, but I'm considering buying an HJ61 (or an HZJ73) and I'm wondering what my options would be if the 12HT craps out on me or if I get a hankerin' for more power and better fuel efficiency. I've heard it said that the 12HT is going to become harder and harder to find parts for.

Also, if anyone has any views to share on the HJ61, please do. I'm looking for (a good balance of) power and fuel economy matched with offroad capability on par with or near to my 78 FJ40 and good road manners. It'll be a daily driver as well as weekend backcountry warrior.

Lastly, can anyone share their fuel economy figures for their HJ61. I'd like to think one might see 24-26mpg highway. Am I far off on that?

Thanks

Search the net and talk to people who have had the 12HT and everything comes back that this is probably one of the best diesels ever made for the LC platform. I don't think there is anyone in Canada who has really tweaked one out to see what it can handle. The Dude from this forum has the most modded one, however I am not sure what he has done to the engine...if anything. Too bad that it had such a short run. Good comments from roscoFJ73 about parts availability where these engines still work day in and day out. There is an aftermarket getting built too here in Canada. If it really concerns you...budget and buy a complete rebuilt kit and put it on the shelf. Evrything else just deal with when it comes up.

Why the desire to plunk a 1HD-T in a HJ61? You like the 60 styling over the 80? I know there are people who simply think the 60 rocks. If you are in that segment, I would suggest keeping the 12HT, and putting the extra money into making sure it comes with cable lockers and a winch (Yes cable lockers will up the price quite a bit...and are worth it). Then, depending on how much of a weekend warrier you want to be...SOA on the stock springs, or SUA with an Ozzie lift.

There is one fellow in the USA that has had a 1HD-T/H55F combo in his FJ60 for years, and quite likes it.

I've also seen slightly modified 80's knock the socks off built 40s. Get one with lockers, add in the center switch...and you would be golden too. Add in the 1HD-T, or in a few years the FT; well that's kinda nice too.

Not matter which truck or engine combo...put larger tires and a few accessories on the outside, and your mileage will suffer.

You would do fine with any of the legit importers. It would come down to who has the stock/options you want, and who you feel most comfortable with after interviewing them all.

hth's

gb

 

[Tapage]

My comments ..

I'm a proud owner of one good and reliable HJ-60 with a 2H engine .. the same plataform of 12H-T ( mine is ID ) So if I can can off course I go with 1HD-T engine .. new, turbo and more powerfull.

But imagine that I already have the 12H-T engine .. for sure I try to keep and get more power with a big turbo, intercooler and propane inyection, maybe much more that 1HD-T engine .. with lees problems as inyection pump or timing belt.

 

[nickw]

A few thoughts for you:
The 61 is a 24v truck, and the 1HD-T is from a 81 series is a 12/24v truck.

I say 12/24v, because the starter on the 1HD-T is 24v, but everything else is 12v. A really good idea if you ask me. But I think the EDIC and any computer control (if there is a computer - I am not sure?) on the 1HD-T would be 12v.

So I guess this would not be an issue.
You would just have to convert 24v down to 12v or the other stuff on the engine.
It's probably something worth noting. Not that it would be a "bolt in" install anyway. There would of course be lots of custom work.

But I would recommend just getting an 81 series. They are a better truck IMHO.
They are less prone to rust (both body and frame), coils, more powerful, same MPG, electric lockers, etc...

They cost more, but you are getting more.
I considered both, and decided on an 81. Just a thought.

Either way, your getting a nice truck.

Cheers,
Nick

 

[OursSauvage]

But I think the EDIC and any computer control (if there is a computer - I am not sure?)

There is no computer in Hdj-80
The only electronic things you can find is the radio or the clock

You would just have to convert 24v down to 12v or the other stuff on the engine.

or to keep the system which changes the connection of the batteries when starting. The alternator is in 12V