12HT rough idle & thick diesel smell from exhaust

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To start this off, my 24v 1987 HJ61 has 550,000 km's on her. About 6 months ago, due to a lack of power and stalling out of the motor, I dropped the fuel tank to find the fuel filter completely gummed over. I cleaned the tank, installed new OEM filter & housing, and blew out the sending/return fuel lines. Ran like a champ until this week.

Day before yesterday, after driving around town for an hour or so I noticed that the idle rpm would noticeably fluctuate +/- 100 rpm (within a second or two) and I had white smoke from the exhaust pipe. This was unusual as it normally would smoke for a few minutes after driving then the smoke would become unnoticeable. After getting home and letting it sit for a day, I fired her up. Unfortunately I was greeted with the idle at 600+/50 on the rpm and a very rough idle with noticeably more smoke from the exhaust. This is interesting because when cold the engine would smoothly but immediately idle above 1k on the RPM, and then after warmup settle around 750 RPM after a few minutes. Now when I start her, the idle is low (650 RPM when I tried again this morning) and the rpms slowlyyyyyy increase never getting above 900 RPM and is sounding very very rough. So rough I don't want to leave it running for too long because of the shaking.

Items of note:
- We had a cold snap for the last 5 days ago had us in the 18-30 degree F range but engine started & ran great
- Batteries would need a jump every morning in the cold but after running her for a bit would start again fine though after a crank or two (if it doesn't start) they need to be jumped again
- I replaced the fuel filter and still have rough idle (little speckles of debris in filter but nothing major)
- Coolant in my reservoir looks good, don't see any leaks on engine or on ground
- Oil looks clean, no blowby from cap and nothing around dipstick... just changed my oil less thank 1k miles ago
- Still seems to run rougher than normal at higher RPMS when I give her the mustard (the manual transmission shifter is moving a lot more at idle)
- I dont hear any pinging sounds (I think) over the clatter of the engine

I think its odd I do not have the idle up anymore when its cold, and the very large amount of smoke is alarming. I would say its white in color and smells very much like unburnt diesel. Not sure where to begin looking. Thoughts that come to mind are IP timing, vacuum issues, or bad injector but nothing has really changed... Still has the Toyota wire from the factory on the IP. I am at a loss of where to start really... FSM says to check valve clearances and and compression for rough idle. Unfortunately the compression tool, sst 09992-00023, is NLA it seems. I can check the valve clearances but not sure that will get me anywhere. I will try and record a video of a cold start tonight and update. I am working from my garage and have minimal tools. Thoughts anyone?

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You might have air in the fuel lines, or a bad connection when putting that back together, or the bleeding process used.
Thats how it will act starting if there is air in the fuel lines.
It seeps in as the diesel cools and contracts and suck air back into the leak.
Then everytime starting it, it has to eat through that air first and runs like shiit.
 
You might have air in the fuel lines, or a bad connection when putting that back together, or the bleeding process used.
Thats how it will act starting if there is air in the fuel lines.
It seeps in as the diesel cools and contracts and suck air back into the leak.
Then everytime starting it, it has to eat through that air first and runs like shiit.
When you say putting back together, you mean from when I dropped the tank months ago? I agree sounds like it could be air in the fuel lines. I will check the hoses again and see if I see fuel anywhere.

This is something I have not read about. I will see if the FSM has anything about it.

As a side note, in the video you can hear the rpms slowly increase as the video goes on.
 
I will also give this a shot…
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To follow up with this, I did as the 12ht manual said and cracked each injector pipe and the only one that didn’t make the engine stumble more was the line closest to the radiator. Reseated it after shutting the truck down and after startup again the truck idled better with way less smoke.

I took the fuel filter off again to inspect and there was already junk in the filter. Reseated it and went to prime it again and it wouldn’t prime… I thought the feed pump primer went out (was brand new) and threw in my spare and it wouldn’t prime either.

Took the rubber feed line off the tank and plopped it into a 5 gallon can of diesel and it primed instantly. So I took the hose plugged it into the feed line going to the tank and blew back into it (with gas cap off). Major resistance, so much I was getting light headed… then finally woooooshhh and bubbles could be heard coming from the tank. I thought I blew the plastic tank filter off so I took my snake camera down and looked into the tank. Filter was still intact but this is what I saw. The filter was covered with this algae again.
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It’s only been 5 months since I dropped the tank, cleaned it and installed brand new filter. I drained the tank again and cleaned the filter with high pressure spray of clean diesel and drained again. I bought some algae treatment but online reviews seem to have limited results. Truck is running well again but I guess I’m in need of a new tank. Doesn’t look like fj60 or 62 tanks have the same vent lines as the 61’s so I am open to hear everyone’s opinion.
 
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disgusting, now i wonder what is in mine:confused:
 
I'm guessing you have some bad fuel again causing the microbes to grow again. Id pull those in tank filter/socks and clean them out or replace.

replace your fuel filters and then empty the tank again and start over. Little bits of water can cause this. Sucks but thats the way to clean again.

A 1/4" layer of water can easily make a lot of algae.
 
I'm guessing you have some bad fuel again causing the microbes to grow again. Id pull those in tank filter/socks and clean them out or replace.

replace your fuel filters and then empty the tank again and start over. Little bits of water can cause this. Sucks but thats the way to clean again.

A 1/4" layer of water can easily make a lot of algae.
At this point I am looking to go though my entire fuel system again. I drive it to work and need it reliable. I have already patched 4 pinhole leaks from rust in the tank, and the inside still looked rough after I cleaned it last time. New tanks (77001-60241(0)) are a grand with shipping unfortunately. I wanna double check the feed pump, get the injectors tested and of course replace the fuel filter. I also did not notice any mesh thimble filters in my lines/banjo bolts in the fuel system which I thought was strange. So I am going to look again with the wire camera.

I have read online that fj60 tanks can be swapped for mine, but I am hesitant to do all this work without knowing the parts I install are clean. Not to mention, as @roma042987 stated, a rebuild will be in my future. @OTRAMM is less than an hour from me, not sure if he does full rebuilds on diesels. No one near me cleans, flushes and seals tanks anymore, not even radiator shops.
 
At this point I am looking to go though my entire fuel system again. I drive it to work and need it reliable. I have already patched 4 pinhole leaks from rust in the tank, and the inside still looked rough after I cleaned it last time. New tanks (77001-60241(0)) are a grand with shipping unfortunately. I wanna double check the feed pump, get the injectors tested and of course replace the fuel filter. I also did not notice any mesh thimble filters in my lines/banjo bolts in the fuel system which I thought was strange. So I am going to look again with the wire camera.

I have read online that fj60 tanks can be swapped for mine, but I am hesitant to do all this work without knowing the parts I install are clean. Not to mention, as @roma042987 stated, a rebuild will be in my future. @OTRAMM is less than an hour from me, not sure if he does full rebuilds on diesels. No one near me cleans, flushes and seals tanks anymore, not even radiator shops.
Sorry if i missed it but what truck are you in....
I have an extra bj70 and an extra tank sitting in the back seat of it...
just sayin....
 
At this point I am looking to go though my entire fuel system again. I drive it to work and need it reliable. I have already patched 4 pinhole leaks from rust in the tank, and the inside still looked rough after I cleaned it last time. New tanks (77001-60241(0)) are a grand with shipping unfortunately. I wanna double check the feed pump, get the injectors tested and of course replace the fuel filter. I also did not notice any mesh thimble filters in my lines/banjo bolts in the fuel system which I thought was strange. So I am going to look again with the wire camera.

I have read online that fj60 tanks can be swapped for mine, but I am hesitant to do all this work without knowing the parts I install are clean. Not to mention, as @roma042987 stated, a rebuild will be in my future. @OTRAMM is less than an hour from me, not sure if he does full rebuilds on diesels. No one near me cleans, flushes and seals tanks anymore, not even radiator shops.

I’m guessing water/moisture can get in those pinholes which is Probabaly causing all the algae/moisture.

How did you clean the tank? I had a different issue as fuel had sit in mine for 4 years and turned to gummy diesel. I put lacquer thinner in it with and shook around over days. Ended up looking brand new.

Here’s my thread on it.
Diesel Fuel tank cleaning options - https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/diesel-fuel-tank-cleaning-options.1122776/
 
I’m guessing water/moisture can get in those pinholes which is Probabaly causing all the algae/moisture.

How did you clean the tank? I had a different issue as fuel had sit in mine for 4 years and turned to gummy diesel. I put lacquer thinner in it with and shook around over days. Ended up looking brand new.

Here’s my thread on it.
Diesel Fuel tank cleaning options - https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/diesel-fuel-tank-cleaning-options.1122776/
Thanks for the read.

I flushed my tank with water then a rust remover. Then cleaned it out with diesel. I didn't realize till now that was probably algae that was in the tank mixed with rust. The rust remover produced more pinholes when I filled the tank back up. I was going to use a tank sealer but had read mixed reviews, plus I was worried it would mess with the flapper valve by the fill port.
 

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