100 Series vs 80 Series (2 Viewers)

[firetruck41]

Tell you what! Since so many of you are in denial about the brakes....I have a video coming. Stay tuned.

You need to get your facts straight, you are starting to sound like Sumotoy. No one was claiming 80 series brakes were better than 100 series, just that you are full of you-know-what, when you claim the 100 series are world class, and the 80 series brakes are dangerous. If that's the case my son wouldn't drive one (unless he worked for every penny and paid for it entirely himself with no help, cosigning a loan, etc.).

Of course some of the figures showing 60-0mph braking are showing not much difference, though my experience is that 100 series brakes feel better than the 80 series.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Is John making s#!t up again? SHOCKING!

My recollection was pretty close. I said "probably" and he said "might". For a 2.5 year-ago post I'm feeling good.
https://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=18238&highlight=broken

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

You need to get your facts straight, you are starting to sound like Sumotoy. No one was claiming 80 series brakes were better than 100 series, just that you are full of you-know-what, when you claim the 100 series are world class, and the 80 series brakes are dangerous. If that's the case my son wouldn't drive one (unless he worked for every penny and paid for it entirely himself with no help, cosigning a loan, etc.).

Of course some of the figures showing 60-0mph braking are showing not much difference, though my experience is that 100 series brakes feel better than the 80 series.

Stay tuned........

 

[tech_dog]

That sucks. My 06 LC has AHC. I didn't want it, but couldn't find one around here with out it. I was hoping that after several years in the Lexus the kinks would be worked out. Does anyone know how common failures are in the later models?

05 is rated with a black dot... poor reliability... for the suspension.

06 is rated with a red dot... excellent reliablitly.

It may just be that it takes more than a year to break, but it could also mean they upgraded a part.

 

[dclee]

My recollection was pretty close. I said "probably" and he said "might". For a 2.5 year-ago post I'm feeling good.
https://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=18238&highlight=broken

OK John, keep on telling yourself that. Meanwhile, I'm going to go look up "denial" in the dictionary so I can see what you actually look like in person...

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

OK John, keep on telling yourself that. Meanwhile, I'm going to go look up "denial" in the dictionary so I can see what you actually look like in person...

From Slee on the thread:

"It is tough to say, but I would say that if the 80 was loaded the same it might have broken as well. I actually broke the shaft and not the birfield itself. The shaft looks thicker than a 80 inner shaft, I still have to measure to compare."

 

[e9999]

aaargh....









(mmm.... what if I moved this to the 80 forum and let them suffer a bit too...? )






tech content: interesting numbers on the braking...

 

[SWUtah]

1999 LC
Braking Distance (60-0 mph): 150 ft.

1998 LC
Braking Distance (60-0 mph): 140 ft.

Braking 60-0 mph: 135 feet (2005 model)

2003 LX470
Braking Distance (60-0 mph): 124.24 ft.

Makes you wonder what these distances are when you put over sized tires on a 80 series or 100 series.

 

[FirstToy]

tech content: interesting numbers on the braking...

I think better feel and modulation don't necessarily translate into shorter distances.
I think it's simple physics of stopping a 5000lb object on 265-ish patches of rubber w/ brakes that need to fit into approx 16" wheels.

swutah,
I will say def. longer b/c of the added rotational weight and larger diameter (basically this is like shrinking the disc on a stock tire setup right?)... but offroad tires are usually alot gummier than stock rubber,also more contact patch- so my guess is that helps a bit.

 

[hoser]

This thread is the s***tz! :shotts:

 

[SWUtah]

05 is rated with a black dot... poor reliability... for the suspension.

06 is rated with a red dot... excellent reliablitly.

It may just be that it takes more than a year to break, but it could also mean they upgraded a part.

I doubt it means anything, since their sample size can't be very big. I would say that doing a search on Mud about failure rate would give you a good feel. I personally havn't seem many documented problems.

 

[firetruck41]

You need to get your facts straight, you are starting to sound like Sumotoy. No one was claiming 80 series brakes were better than 100 series, just that you are full of you-know-what, when you claim the 100 series are world class, and the 80 series brakes are dangerous. If that's the case my son wouldn't drive one (unless he worked for every penny and paid for it entirely himself with no help, cosigning a loan, etc.).

Of course some of the figures showing 60-0mph braking are showing not much difference, though my experience is that 100 series brakes feel better than the 80 series.

Stay tuned........

Stay tuned for what? I own/drive an 80, the brakes are not dangerous. I own/drive a 100, the brakes feel better, but not world class. What am I staying tuned for???

 

[cary]

I'm to lazy to search, but are the brakes on Shotts 80 all factory parts? I had some problems with poor braking when when I bought my 80 that were fully cured by replacing the crappy non-oem pads and rotors with factory rotors, fluid flush, and good quality pads.

 

[SWUtah]

I think better feel and modulation don't necessarily translate into shorter distances.
I think it's simple physics of stopping a 5000lb object on 265-ish patches of rubber w/ brakes that need to fit into approx 16" wheels.

swutah,
I will say def. longer b/c of the added rotational weight and larger diameter (basically this is like shrinking the disc on a stock tire setup right?)... but offroad tires are usually alot gummier than stock rubber,also more contact patch- so my guess is that helps a bit.

I read some where that off road tires have longer braking distances since they have larger voids which gives them less rubber on the road. Combine that with the weight and larger size and you might need to throw out a boat anchor to stop

 

[dclee]

I read some where that off road tires have longer braking distances since they have larger voids which gives them less rubber on the road. Combine that with the weight and larger size and you might need to throw out a boat anchor to stop

Good point. Also, unless I'm mistaken, John has All-Terrains on his 100 and muddies on his 80s, which might also explain some of what he is experiencing in the differences between the two trucks.

 

[SWUtah]

Good point. Also, unless I'm mistaken, John has All-Terrains on his 100 and muddies on his 80s, which might also explain some of what he is experiencing in the differences between the two trucks.

Muddies would have to be the worst when it came to stopping unless you were in MUD

 

[Cruiserdrew]

One place where 100 series are clearly superior and I'm in a position to know, is the front brake pads. They are simply better and made the biggest difference in stopping power on my 80 series. I would be curious to see equally loaded trucks, 100 stock vs 80 with 100 series pads. My guess-nearly equal stopping distances.


Regarding Shotts "dangerous" brakes-He likely has a caster issue since those are more common in lifted 80s, and make the truck feel dangerous when they are heavily applied. IT has nothing to do with the actual stopping distances. My 80 brakes with 100 pads and normal caster feel extremely good for such a large vehicle.

You want to experience dangerous brakes-try a loaded 40 series at full lock up. Short whellbase, big tires, and drum brakes are not the best combo.

So there--some tech, some non-inflammatory Shotts bashing and a historical comparison.

 

[dclee]

So there--some tech, some non-inflammatory Shotts bashing and a historical comparison.

Andy, you're a true Renaissance Man!

 

[tech_dog]

What I really notice between the 80 and the 100 brakes is the amount of pedal pressure it takes to approach lock-up. I really have to slam on the 80's pedal.

I've done the FSM described test of the boost and passed, but I have often wondered if you can have a partial or gradual failure of the power assist. I've had the dealer look, and he says it's all operating as designed.

 

[NW-sickboy]

Save your 80 for the Rubicon if you EVER go, and/or the other rare super tight trails.
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My trail experiences are vastly different than yours. Idaho, Utah, Midwest, Everything is tight, its not the excception, its more the rule.... thats also the rule for most place i believe.

schotts i dont think you live in reality, your crazy coments about braking, reliability discredit anything you have to say. its unfourtunate.