100 Series vs 80 Series (1 Viewer)

[JJ_SC]

That's OK, if it ever breaks, it should be relatively easy to yank it all out and go with a traditional suspension!

Funny, I was in my fuse box last night, and saw an empty place that's labeled as "AHC." And I have empty threaded holes where the AHC pump would normally go. If I have the wiring harness to an empty ECU socket somewhere, maybe I can go against the grain and add the system!

You can have mine after it craps out and dents my bumpers. "Honey, we have to tear out the entire suspension and put in new stuff."

I gotta say though, having that suspension ride adjustment thingy is RAD. The one that gives you a choice between a firm "sporty" ride or a soft, luxury ride. It's totally my favorite useless-over-the-top-gadget-feature on the car. I flip it over to the "sport" setting when I drive over highway 17 to San Jose (tight, twisty, high speed, mountain pass where some idiot hits the center divider just about every day) and it really makes a big difference. I can run with BMWs - sort of... You can't do that in a 80! ;p

 

[cary]

I can run with BMWs - sort of... You can't do that in a 80! ;p

Don't fool yourself. The electronic suspension helps some, but I have driven an LX 470 with it and even with it in full sport mode, it is still way to soft for my taste. Try an 80 with OME low lift springs and Bilsteins, it handles very well for what it is and far better than the LX. You pay for it in ride quality though.

 

[NW-sickboy]

1997 LX450
Braking Distance (60-0 mph): 132 ft.

1996 LX450
60-0 mph stopping distance of 136 feet

2003 GX470
Braking, 60-0, ft: 131

FJ Cruiser
60 - 0 (ft):, 126.6
60-0 mph, 128 ft

You cant use facts to make your point! so help me if you start using some sort of science or math i will leave once and for ALL!

 

[tech_dog]

I think the 100 with adjustable suspension handles considerably better on-road than the 80 with OME medium and OME shocks.

 

[CoveredInRedMud]

And as someone who is also trying to decide, there are many pros and cons to both. Also, quite a bit of difference of opinion on both.

I'm still confused!

I'm with you on that one... I love my 80, but the wife wants more confort for the sometimes long paved or gravel treks to get out to the goat trails! Seems like I could do all but the most hardcore rock jumping and stump humping with a 100, so think it will make both of us happy...

 

[hoser]

Try an 80 with OME low lift springs and Bilsteins, it handles very well for what it is and far better than the LX. You pay for it in ride quality though.

I won't doubt you but I won't be convinced till I drive a low lift/Bilstein 80. IFS beats SFA in the on-road handling department almost all the time. The front unsprung weight of an 80 is at least twice that of a 100. Sure an 80 with stiffer springs might sway less than a stock AHC 100 but the IFS really absorbs the road imperfections better.

 

[cary]

I won't doubt you but I won't be convinced till I drive a low lift/Bilstein 80. IFS beats SFA in the on-road handling department almost all the time. The front unsprung weight of an 80 is at least twice that of a 100. Sure an 80 with stiffer springs might sway less than a stock AHC 100 but the IFS really absorbs the road imperfections better.

We will have to get together sometime since you are local. Bring some spare underwear as I have a tendency to hotshoe the 80 when I shouldn't (it's fun to screw around with kids in their little rice rockets when coming into a corner side-by-side) and have been known on several occasions to get the rear to rotate around nicely by trail-braking the thing.

IFS may absorb imperfections better, but firm springing with lots of dampening more than make up for that small advantage (a lot of IFS advantages are defeated by the big rollbars). In terms of ride quality, the 100 will kill the 80 the way I have it setup, and the 100 strikes a better balance in ride quality vs. handling.

 

[hoser]

I didn't know you were local. I don't suppose they'd allow a couple of overweight SUV's at Thunderhill or Infineon Raceway. I drive my 100 fairly mellow... but my NSX, that's a different story.

 

[JJ_SC]

Don't fool yourself. The electronic suspension helps some, but I have driven an LX 470 with it and even with it in full sport mode, it is still way to soft for my taste. Try an 80 with OME low lift springs and Bilsteins, it handles very well for what it is and far better than the LX. You pay for it in ride quality though.

Yeah, I don't know about that. I've only ridden in a stock 80 a couple of times. My F250 was a lot tighter sprung and had less sway in the turns then the 100 too. Anyway, my point was more about the adjustability. It's kinda nice, in a silly, useless way, to flip that switch over and actually feel the ride tighten down (and you really can't do that in an 80 ). It's not an X5 (or what ever they are). But I don't want that. The 100 is pretty nice to drive just about anywhere.

How about "Cruiser day at Laguna Seca" Side by side testing at Hollister Hills on day one, then hit the track on day two. Skid pad, braking, cornering...

 

[cary]

It's not an X5 (or what ever they are).

How about "Cruiser day at Laguna Seca" Side by side testing at Hollister Hills on day one, then hit the track on day two. Skid pad, braking, cornering...

The wife drives a 3.0 X5 with the sport package. You wouldn't believe what BMW had to do to get even those things to handle decently. The suspension is really, really firm, with very high spring rates. For what it is, it handles very well, but it still doesn't handle as well as a good sports sedan.


I can it now, flat out, 70mph up to the corkscrew, then pitch the thing sideways.

 

[cary]

I didn't know you were local. I don't suppose they'd allow a couple of overweight SUV's at Thunderhill or Infineon Raceway. I drive my 100 fairly mellow... but my NSX, that's a different story.

Shh, don't tell Shotts, because he won't believe that we could overheat the brakes on the 80 or the 100 in one lap at either Thunderhill or Sears point.

 

[dclee]

We will have to get together sometime since you are local.

Cary, you're local? Are you on NorCal80s?

 

[cary]

I think I signed up one time, but I never got anything. It may have been an old mailing list. How do you join?

 

[dclee]

I think I signed up one time, but I never got anything. It may have been an old mailing list. How do you join?

PM my your email address and I'll get you out an invite.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

More information to consider from a new thread:

Howdy
Ive been in accidents that have written off a 1990 80srs and a 1998 105srs.
Both accidents were head on.
In the 80, the floor buckled so much, a 2 inch chunk of floor ripped out and stayed attached to the passenger seat frame/mount.
The point of impact was more to the drivers side, but both front doors had to be forced open, and then could not be closed.
Also, the only reason my foot was not taken off by the throttle was because it was so hard down on the brake pedal that the throttle passed over the top of it.
The 100/105srs has much better body strength, and the passenger compartment held up much better- all the doors opened and closed still (it was good not to be trapped in there), despite being a much faster collision. The whole front end crumpled to absorb the colision. The pedals (except the brake - which was in use) moved up away from my feet, not towards them.
My wife (with my 14 month old) now drives a 1999 105srs, and I drive a 1993 80srs.
In conclusion,


WEAR YOUR SEAT BELT



My biggest injury was my sore arms from pushing against the steering wheel as hard as I could, but being thrown into it anyway, bending it. That was much worse than the top of my head hitting the windscreen. I was wearing a cap, and dark safety glasses for sunglasses. Luckily.
Hope this helps

 

[alvarorb]

John,

Who crashed?
Have you heard mexican the term ""Nobody trips twice with the same stone". Whoever crashed is very very bad driver or the comparison has no value. What I mean by this is that both accidents had to be under very similar conditions to compare one against the other. This would mean that the driver is pretty bad. Otherwise you can't compare accidents.

Alvaro

More information to consider from a new thread:

Howdy
Ive been in accidents that have written off a 1990 80srs and a 1998 105srs.
Both accidents were head on.
In the 80, the floor buckled so much, a 2 inch chunk of floor ripped out and stayed attached to the passenger seat frame/mount.
The point of impact was more to the drivers side, but both front doors had to be forced open, and then could not be closed.
Also, the only reason my foot was not taken off by the throttle was because it was so hard down on the brake pedal that the throttle passed over the top of it.
The 100/105srs has much better body strength, and the passenger compartment held up much better- all the doors opened and closed still (it was good not to be trapped in there), despite being a much faster collision. The whole front end crumpled to absorb the colision. The pedals (except the brake - which was in use) moved up away from my feet, not towards them.
My wife (with my 14 month old) now drives a 1999 105srs, and I drive a 1993 80srs.
In conclusion,


WEAR YOUR SEAT BELT



My biggest injury was my sore arms from pushing against the steering wheel as hard as I could, but being thrown into it anyway, bending it. That was much worse than the top of my head hitting the windscreen. I was wearing a cap, and dark safety glasses for sunglasses. Luckily.
Hope this helps

 

[LX_TREME]

I gotta say though, having that suspension ride adjustment thingy is RAD. The one that gives you a choice between a firm "sporty" ride or a soft, luxury ride. It's totally my favorite useless-over-the-top-gadget-feature on the car. I flip it over to the "sport" setting when I drive over highway 17 to San Jose (tight, twisty, high speed, mountain pass where some idiot hits the center divider just about every day) and it really makes a big difference. I can run with BMWs - sort of... You can't do that in a 80! ;p

Hey do you want to race with my 80 I'm pretty sure you can't keep up with your 100 drive over highway 17.I have sport setting all the time. '5 inch lowering kit, adjustable rod, TRD thicker sway bars...lots stuff etc..., just click my signature line

 

[firetruck41]

More information to consider from a new thread:

Howdy
Ive been in accidents that have written off a 1990 80srs and a 1998 105srs.
Both accidents were head on.
In the 80, the floor buckled so much, a 2 inch chunk of floor ripped out and stayed attached to the passenger seat frame/mount.
The point of impact was more to the drivers side, but both front doors had to be forced open, and then could not be closed.
Also, the only reason my foot was not taken off by the throttle was because it was so hard down on the brake pedal that the throttle passed over the top of it.
The 100/105srs has much better body strength, and the passenger compartment held up much better- all the doors opened and closed still (it was good not to be trapped in there), despite being a much faster collision. The whole front end crumpled to absorb the colision. The pedals (except the brake - which was in use) moved up away from my feet, not towards them.
My wife (with my 14 month old) now drives a 1999 105srs, and I drive a 1993 80srs.
In conclusion,


WEAR YOUR SEAT BELT



My biggest injury was my sore arms from pushing against the steering wheel as hard as I could, but being thrown into it anyway, bending it. That was much worse than the top of my head hitting the windscreen. I was wearing a cap, and dark safety glasses for sunglasses. Luckily.
Hope this helps

Anecdotal "evidence" doesn't mean much.

 

[FirstToy]

80 vs 100

correct answer is...











who the F cares.

 

[uzj100]

Like I said before, the 200 series is the best.