100 Series vs 80 Series (2 Viewers)

[ShottsUZJ100]

Shotts-you really are too much. You wern't there, yet you wouldn't have backed down. Easy to say. Webwheeling at it's best. I was there, and advised Amando to back down. Had he broken there, (and I believe he would have looking at those front wheels pointing at each otherand hearing the popping noises), he would have stopped up the trail and totally screwed our trip. He was man enough to realize what is fun and what is folly. That particular spot is nearly half way in, how are you going to take a broken 100 series back to a trailhead from there? I can tell you the first 100 to attempt the Rubicon came out towed by several Jeeps and was totalled and written off.

Just for the record, the 80s do go through the Rubicon easier than the 100s, and it isn't about size or weight. If you doubt that, ask Amando if he would take his 100 through there again.

If you are so confident about your abilities, then you should join us. We have invited you the last two years. Then you could put the skeptics to rest. From what you post, it sounds like your experience is limited to 1 day trips close to pavement. That's cool. Just remember you need a different perspective about damage control when you are two days from help, especially with a front end that is as hard to repair as a 100 series and even more especially with the limited mechanical aptitude to which you so freely admit.

Read my most recent post. Thanks for the invite though I'm really not interested in the long and arduous rock crawl.

By the way though....the Rubicon Trail isn't the only trail where IFS wheels bend, pop, and a rescue would be difficult. I drive Cruisers because I have faith in their abilities. If I seen an 80 go through that Rubi obstacle without breaking I would have not backed down in the 100.

And of course the 80's went through easier! They're jest better on a trail like that. Thoe ones will taller lifts than a 100 has must have went through much easier. Damn....I'd like to see a 6" lifted 100 on that trip? I bet your words would be much different. Truth is....we don't have 6" 100 lifts....and for 95% of the difficult trails we dont' need then.

 

[cary]

I was telling the other dude (not everybody else) about what I know about taking a 100 through there. That's it. Relax all.

After hearing back from Scott I've decided to never take my current 100 through there. I believe the fun factor would be nil. It's that simple. I also don't believe I'd take my 80 in there either. I think Moab is more my style. Constant manuevering around rocks (in AZ too ) is not really my style. TOO SLOW!

When I build a shortened 100 I'll make to mangle then I MIGHT try the Rubicon to see how a vehicle like that would do. Might never happen though.

It's rather ironic that you are telling me to relax when I address your comments head on, especially when you act as if you are moses coming down with the 10 commandments. You posted some over the top comments, I responded, and you choose to instead, in essence, to tell me I am being the jerk.

Also, nice backpedaling. Now after all this beating your chest about how great you and your 100 are, how other's are sissy's, when asked (for the the 3rd year) to join a group for a run, you again, carefully retreat. If you are going to brag, be prepared to back up your claims, otherwise it is better to simply keep quiet.

The 100 is a great vehicle, but as I have said based on my driving several of them (my sister and her husband have had 3 now, a 1998, 2001, and 2005) as well as test driving several other 100's and an LX, the 100 series is an evolution of the 80, not some quantum leap forward.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

It's rather ironic that you are telling me to relax when I address your comments head on, especially when you act as if you are moses coming down with the 10 commandments. You posted some over the top comments, I responded, and you choose to instead, in essence, to tell me I am being the jerk.

Also, nice backpedaling. Now after all this beating your chest about how great you and your 100 are, how other's are sissy's, when asked (for the the 3rd year) to join a group for a run, you again, carefully retreat. If you are going to brag, be prepared to back up your claims, otherwise it is better to simply keep quiet.

The 100 is a great vehicle, but as I have said based on my driving several of them (my sister and her husband have had 3 now, a 1998, 2001, and 2005) as well as test driving several other 100's and an LX, the 100 series is an evolution of the 80, not some quantum leap forward.

I willfully bow out. Speaking on the phone is one thing. Reading words is another. I must be a real bad writer. The above posts are clear to me.

I stated others told me that it'd take extreme care to run the trail in my 100. Some can choose to do it after hearing that. Me, I do not. That's not back-peddling in my book. The two posts talk about 3 different issues.

1. Taking a 100 through
2. Taking MY 100 through
3. Taking my next (frame-cut) 100 through

In any event....I'm tired of the "word arguments".

 

[sleeoffroad]

John, you need to come up here and visit the shop a little, then your mighty opinion on the 100 will change. Believe me I love them, but I am not blind.

I know of 7 trucks that broke front ring and pinions in the last storm, including mine. I attribute it to that s***ty TRAC system. Some broke while wifes drove it in driveways. The 2 pinion vs 4 pinion has nothing to do with these breakages. All had a common theme, they just snapped a tooth due while tires were spinning and grabbing traction on snowed in roads.

You can also come an look at the 4 or so A Arms that we have repalced in the last two months due to creaking ball joints. NO, you can not just buy the ball joint on it's own.

PS, I am building your next 100, just send check and I will deliver it at Moab.

 

[Snook]

I was there, and advised Amando to back down. Had he broken there, (and I believe he would have looking at those front wheels pointing at each otherand hearing the popping noises), he would have stopped up the trail and totally screwed our trip. He was man enough to realize what is fun and what is folly. That particular spot is nearly half way in, how are you going to take a broken 100 series back to a trailhead from there?

I did shoot the video of him going thru "V" but it didn't show well due to shadow. So here is my illustration drawing for better sense of what it looks like.

I can tell you the first 100 to attempt the Rubicon came out towed by several Jeeps and was totalled and written off.

Yes, written off except for his ARB front bumper, I bought it from him (he happened to be next door). His ARB front bumper didn't get any dent or scatch is becuase he ONLY installed internal ARB bracket to protect the frames. He left the ARB front bumper at home!

Just for the record, the 80s do go through the Rubicon easier than the 100s, and it isn't about size or weight. If you doubt that, ask Amando if he would take his 100 through there again.

Amando also did Rubicon runs with his 1997 FZJ-80 more than twice before he got 100 series so he is an expertise in both area.

Cheers,

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

John, you need to come up here and visit the shop a little, then your mighty opinion on the 100 will change. Believe me I love them, but I am not blind.

I know of 7 trucks that broke front ring and pinions in the last storm, including mine. I attribute it to that s***ty TRAC system. Some broke while wifes drove it in driveways. The 2 pinion vs 4 pinion has nothing to do with these breakages. All had a common theme, they just snapped a tooth due while tires were spinning and grabbing traction on snowed in roads.

You can also come an look at the 4 or so A Arms that we have repalced in the last two months due to creaking ball joints. NO, you can not just buy the ball joint on it's own.

PS, I am building your next 100, just send check and I will deliver it at Moab.

I'm sure you see this. I just don't experience it. Of course I'm ARB locked. That helps. I'm also a crawler....not a skinny peddler (like YOU ).
Until the 100 shows me fault I try almost everything.

Oh....and if I could dump the just-built Lexus 450 for what I have in it (~$20K) I'd do it and grab a 2000+ 100.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

I did shoot the video of him going thru "V" but it didn't show well due to shadow. So here is my illustration drawing for better sense of what it looks like.



Yes, written off except for his ARB front bumper, I bought it from him (he happened to be next door). His ARB front bumper didn't get any dent or scatch is becuase he ONLY installed internal ARB bracket to protect the frames. He left the ARB front bumper at home!



Amando also did Rubicon runs with his 1997 FZJ-80 more than twice before he got 100 series so he is an expertise in both area.

Cheers,

Illistration understood. Deep V's as well as other obstacles that result in the same issue are not only found on the Rubicon Trail.

 

[DirtyHarry]

The truth is, if you want to run HARD trails than neither the 80 nor the 100 is a good choice. 40s, mini trucks, CJs, and buggies are what I usually see on HARD trails. If you want something that you can drive every day and wheel most places, either the 80 or the 100 will get the job done. The 80s are less expensive these days and a little more capable from the factory, but the 100s are more powerful and comfortable.

I wonder if Schotts can find something in there to disagree with...

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

The 2 pinion vs 4 pinion has nothing to do with these breakages.

Hey....why do you think these are breaking? Are they all in the front? Could it be that IFS parts flex more and change angles?

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

The truth is, if you want to run HARD trails than neither the 80 nor the 100 is a good choice. 40s, mini trucks, CJs, and buggies are what I usually see on HARD trails. If you want something that you can drive every day and wheel most places, either the 80 or the 100 will get the job done. The 80s are less expensive these days and a little more capable from the factory, but the 100s are more powerful and comfortable.

I wonder if Schotts can find something in there to disagree with...

That's a spot-on accessment in my book. I wheel for fun. On a trail like the Rubi, fun to me would be a lifted Rubicon, an FJ40, something like that.

 

[bulldog-yota]

How come the same topic always end up with the same posts form the same people???

There is no free lunch, there are always technology trade offs to be made. SO choose something that suites your needs now and for the future.

If a truck is my daily driver, I would rather spend the extra time and effort for the few days on the trail to enjoy a more comfy ride the other 300+ days a year. We use these things for transport and fun, not for competitions.

 

[sleeoffroad]

Hey....why do you think these are breaking? Are they all in the front? Could it be that IFS parts flex more and change angles?

I believe it is shock load on the ring and pinion due to the track. Mine broke when I asked my wife to pull me out (got the suburban snow plow) stock on ice. We were in the road in front of the house. It was not buried, just could not get up the incline due to ice. The road was snow and ice covered with some bare spots.

So I hooked the 100 up (going forward), put in low, locked the center diff, tightened the tow strap and told her to pull.

Well, she got a little carried away and floored it (well that is what it took to drag the truck up hill).

Then that night we went out and I drove the truck. I could immediately feel a little tick in the front end, and having some experience with broken R&P I thought it was that. We drove it about 10 miles that night and the tick got worse. Parked it at the shop and sure enough, the ring gear was broken.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

I believe it is shock load on the ring and pinion due to the track. Mine broke when I asked my wife to pull me out (got the suburban snow plow) stock on ice. We were in the road in front of the house. It was not buried, just could not get up the incline due to ice. The road was snow and ice covered with some bare spots.

So I hooked the 100 up (going forward), put in low, locked the center diff, tightened the tow strap and told her to pull.

Well, she got a little carried away and floored it (well that is what it took to drag the truck up hill).

Then that night we went out and I drove the truck. I could immediately feel a little tick in the front end, and having some experience with broken R&P I thought it was that. We drove it about 10 miles that night and the tick got worse. Parked it at the shop and sure enough, the ring gear was broken.

OK...couple of things? What year? Is it the '03 Turbo? Hmmm....it has TRAC and VSC though that's not a cure-all so it won't climb every icy hill.

She hit the gas? OK....like that faults the 100? I have friends that have broke their R&P in an 80 buy strapping somebody in reverse. Also, by BACKING up hard obstacles.

???

 

[sleeoffroad]

My truck is a 02. It wasn't a icy hills. It was the street in front of our house. Paved. The Trac did what it was designed to do. Now if they gave me a button to turn it off, I would have. Yes, I know I can pull the ABS fuse, but hey, I thought the 100 should be up to the task to pull the truck up the hill. She didn't HIT the gas, she just applied a little more than I would have. There was no jerking, no snatching, no sudden moves.

The ring and pinion is just not designed to take the shockloads that the TRAC puts on it. None of the 6 other trucks had a turbo, then simply broke while being driven. It was not even off-road.

And none of this happened in reverse. I do believe it is the 100's fault. I don't believe the ring and pinion is big enough for that size truck. I also believe that no thought was given to the front diff when they added this.

Joe, our tech used to be a master tech at Lexus. The broken front diff was a comon occurance at the shop he used to work at. After every snow storm there was a batch of them.

 

[cary]

OK...couple of things? What year? Is it the '03 Turbo? Hmmm....it has TRAC and VSC though that's not a cure-all so it won't climb every icy hill.

She hit the gas? OK....like that faults the 100? I have friends that have broke their R&P in an 80 buy strapping somebody in reverse. Also, by BACKING up hard obstacles.

???

Aren't you the guy that keeps saying that the TC is the greatest thing in the world and that Mr. Toy designed it so you can punch it when you need wheelspin/power?


Hey anyone notice that Christo's wife is harder on the truck than someone here. She has actually broken a front pinion on pavement. Imagine if she actually took it off roading.

 

[cary]

Joe, our tech used to be a master tech at Lexus. The broken front diff was a comon occurance at the shop he used to work at. After every snow storm there was a batch of them.

Come on, there is no way it could be a design issue, it is obviously a driver problem. We have been told 100 times in no uncertain terms the 100 is perfect in every way, trac has no problems, VSC rocks, and anything that goes wrong is simply a result of people who don't know how to drive.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

My truck is a 02. It wasn't a icy hills. It was the street in front of our house. Paved. The Trac did what it was designed to do. Now if they gave me a button to turn it off, I would have. Yes, I know I can pull the ABS fuse, but hey, I thought the 100 should be up to the task to pull the truck up the hill. She didn't HIT the gas, she just applied a little more than I would have. There was no jerking, no snatching, no sudden moves.

The ring and pinion is just not designed to take the shockloads that the TRAC puts on it. None of the 6 other trucks had a turbo, then simply broke while being driven. It was not even off-road.

And none of this happened in reverse. I do believe it is the 100's fault. I don't believe the ring and pinion is big enough for that size truck. I also believe that no thought was given to the front diff when they added this.

Joe, our tech used to be a master tech at Lexus. The broken front diff was a comon occurance at the shop he used to work at. After every snow storm there was a batch of them.

Why do you think the snow if so hard on the R&P? Also....other brok 100's? Did any have front ARB locker as I do? Would this not help?

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Come on, there is no way it could be a design issue, it is obviously a driver problem. We have been told 100 times in no uncertain terms the 100 is perfect in every way, trac has no problems, VSC rocks, and anything that goes wrong is simply a result of people who don't know how to drive.

NOW YOU'VE GOT IT!

 

[spressomon]

This thread is just starting to get good again















Someone should be writing a TV sitcom around this thread...or someone is missing a golden opportunity .







Seinfeld had "nothing" on this!

 

[cary]

NOW YOU'VE GOT IT!

Well, at least I'm understanding the truth. I would say start a church, but I think you are going to have trouble getting people to leave the Church of latter day 80's.