100 Series vs 80 Series (1 Viewer)

[ShottsUZJ100]

Oh got it. I see who you are referring to. For the record, 80 series brakes are not dangerous NOR are 100 series brakes world class!!

OK....I'll rephrase:

80s brakes were worst in it's class

100s brakes are best in class



OK, seriously.....you just can't "plan accordingly".

I was in the LX450 turning into a parking lot. All was well until a dude cut me right off. I was going only 20 and SLAMMED on the brakes. The thing just slowed. There was no "hit" or "grab" to the brakes as they are weak. In any vehicle I've driven I could have stopped SEVERAL feet from him. Instead I missed him (his door) by about 2 feet. The thing just wouldn't stop. It's like you have greasy brakes. To me, this is dangerous.

 

[e9999]

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I was in the LX450 turning into a parking lot. All was well until a dude cut me right off. I was going only 20 and SLAMMED on the brakes. The thing just slowed. There was no "hit" or "grab" to the brakes as they are weak. In any vehicle I've driven I could have stopped SEVERAL feet from him. Instead I missed him (his door) by about 2 feet. The thing just wouldn't stop. It's like you have greasy brakes. To me, this is dangerous.

If I understood you correctly, that does not sound normal. As in ice or defective brakes or bad tires or something...? If I slam on my brakes at lowish speeds, the truck just stops instantly as if it hit a wall....

 

[DirtyHarry]

I was doing a lot of thinking about this last night, particularly what CruiserDrew said. With the transition from the 60 to the 80, the Land Cruiser got more powerful, more refined, and more comfortable. With the transition from the 80 to the 100, the Land Cruiser once again got more powerful, more refined, and more comfortable. The difference is, from the 60 to the 80 we gained:

-Fuel injection
-Better front suspension
-Better rear suspension
-Rear disc brakes
-Rear full floating axle
-Lockers front and rear

From the 80 to the 100, half of the things on that list were lost.

 

[FirstToy]

Driving to the trail in comfort and luxury is all relative. If anyone thinks a USA 80 series or LX450 is "roughing it", than you have some serious denial issues on just how basic most of the other options are.

The 80 isn't just "rubicon capable". That isn't even the main reason I like it.

The main reason I am floored by the 80 is because it can do the Rubicon all the time, every year, drive there and back and then daily drive it the other 360 days of the year, and do it all over again.

Even if you never do the Rubicon, it is amazing and impressive on the trails. I feel like a Ferrari is born to be at 100+mph, the 80 is born to be on the dirt. It just gets better and better, the harder the trail gets.

That is not a 100 comparison. That is fact.
I think it's easier to judge each on it's own merit and see which you like. I had a choice between all the Toyota SUV's and I picked the 80 over newer choices-price not an issue. I just drive and mod what I love, that is it.

 

[2melow]

Hi Guys, This is my first post. Long time lurker though as I had been looking for an 80/450 for about a year now off and on.

Background: I have a young family (wife, 2.5 year old, bun in the oven, and dog) and we currently drive a Forester and Saab 9000 turbo. I sold a highly modified 1991 Nissan Pathfinder with 4” lift, 33” BFG’s, Arb bars front/rear, etc. etc. so modifying trucks isn’t new to me but I don’t have one currently which is killing me (as you might imagine). We live in Northern Colorado where there is a goldmine of 4x4 trails literally out our back door. I can make it deep into Wyoming crossing pavement only twice to give you an idea.

So I’ve been looking at 80’s and pretty much had my mind set on one of those….but trying to find a low mileage one in Colorado seems impossible. By low mileage I’m talking under 80K. Seems like $15K based on the ones I’ve seen…I’ve driven lots of local ones in Fort Collins but they all seem to have
100K+ and people want $12K+ still. All seem to have the normal “quirks” mentioned above like the moonroof, torn seats, etc.

So we found a high mileage 2001 100 a few weeks ago and drove it. Holy crap was it nice! Better interior, more power, etc. and just about 5K more than the 80’s we’ve looked at. Mind you this would be a family car, but I would quickly upgrade the tires, add some armor, etc. to handle the N. Colorado trails which are pretty tough. Although the Forester can do mild wheeleing, we have been outgrowing it and tearing it up quite a bit. We'll keep it as the winter errand car though since it's so good in the snow.

So I was set on the 80 because of the solid front end (and I love the style with sliding rear windows) but from a daily driver point of view you simply cannot touch the comforts and convenience of the newer 100’s. Both of our current cars have heated seats so giving that up would also be hard. I drove in today to work and it was 11 degrees out – so yes they get used a lot out here, believe me. Also, I wheeled a pathfinder out here so I am not new to the capabilities of an IFS (with upgraded torsion bars) in Colorado and never had issues on the trails. I think the guys who rock crawl and do moab, etc. would prefer the 80 series…but for 95% of us who use our only 4x4 vehicle also as a destination vehicle for camping, hunting, fishing, etc back in the highcountry of Colorado the 100 would be hard to beat. The “albert” post is a perfect vehicle for this part of the country I am convinced. Just my loose change.

Also, since I have been viewing this website the “people viewing” section on the 100 series has steadily been going up which tells me more mods will be coming and parts for the 100 series pretty soon.

So now I’m looking for a 2000 or later 100 with under 80K on it. Seems like eBay is the way to go as they are now in the $17K range which is awesome for such a vehicle.

Hope that helps from a newbie perspective who has been looking.

 

[Atticus]

OK....I'll rephrase:

80s brakes were worst in it's class

100s brakes are best in class



OK, seriously.....you just can't "plan accordingly".

I was in the LX450 turning into a parking lot. All was well until a dude cut me right off. I was going only 20 and SLAMMED on the brakes. The thing just slowed. There was no "hit" or "grab" to the brakes as they are weak. In any vehicle I've driven I could have stopped SEVERAL feet from him. Instead I missed him (his door) by about 2 feet. The thing just wouldn't stop. It's like you have greasy brakes. To me, this is dangerous.

Then something is wrong with your brakes. I've been driving an 80 every day for more than thirteen years, and have never had a problem stopping. You should get your brakes looked at by a competent mechanic. Otherwise, you are a danger to others.

 

[spressomon]

...Also, since I have been viewing this website the “people viewing” section on the 100 series has steadily been going up which tells me more mods will be coming and parts for the 100 series pretty soon.

Don't bank on much in the way of new aftermarket real off-road type goodies coming for the 100...You can now get a front skid plate for the Sequoia for crying out loud!!! And yet nothing, other than one-off/hand/custom made, for the 100. Not even a frigg'n t-case skid plate to replace the stock POS is available. The 100 series is now over 10-years old and still a very paltry aftermarket of goods are available.

Thank Christo, TJM, ARB and maybe a few select others for offering what they do for the 100 series!!!

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Don't bank on much in the way of new aftermarket real off-road type goodies coming for the 100...You can now get a front skid plate for the Sequoia for crying out loud!!! And yet nothing, other than one-off/hand/custom made, for the 100. Not even a frigg'n t-case skid plate to replace the stock POS is available. The 100 series is now over 10-years old and still a very paltry aftermarket of goods are available.

Thank Christo, TJM, ARB and maybe a few select others for offering what they do for the 100 series!!!

Yes on little new products...however everything we need in mods in order to run even the Rubicon Trail is already available for the UZJ100. Would we like taller lifts for added clearance? Yes.....though we really do not need it.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Then something is wrong with your brakes. I've been driving an 80 every day for more than thirteen years, and have never had a problem stopping. You should get your brakes looked at by a competent mechanic. Otherwise, you are a danger to others.

And sorry....both my 80's brake the same way. The other 4 or 5 80's I've driven with 35's are the same. The bottom line is that they are under-designed which has long been a problem topic with the Series. Damn....can't ya all just admit that the 80's brakes suck.....because they do. A drive in any other SUV or car reveals this. Let's admit it?

 

[dclee]

Damn....can't ya all just admit that the 80's brakes suck.....because they do. A drive in any other SUV or car reveals this. Let's admit it?

Sure, I already admitted it. I also admitted that the 100s brakes suck too! Pretty much anything weighing two tons is gonna suck at stopping to one degree or another. Simple physics.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Sure, I already admitted it. I also admitted that the 100s brakes suck too! Pretty much anything weighing two tons is gonna suck at stopping to one degree or another. Simple physics.

 

[Atticus]

And sorry....both my 80's brake the same way. The other 4 or 5 80's I've driven with 35's are the same. The bottom line is that they are under-designed which has long been a problem topic with the Series. Damn....can't ya all just admit that the 80's brakes suck.....because they do. A drive in any other SUV or car reveals this. Let's admit it?

I have no problem with the 80's brakes. And I've driven 5 or 6 of them (one more than you have, no matter how many that is), since it's important to mention that aspect of the discussion.

And 100 brakes are great. I'll admit that.

 

[cc93cruiser]

Sure, I already admitted it. I also admitted that the 100s brakes suck too! Pretty much anything weighing two tons is gonna suck at stopping to one degree or another. Simple physics.

x2..Shotts makes it seem like his 100 is a sports car ....U want 80 series owners to admit we have weaker breaking, you have too admit that the 80 is a better wheeler, and not just because of its smaller size....I tried not to post this time 'cuz this topic is getting old, but a 80 will never be out wheeled by a 100 in any trail, but an 80 will out wheel a 100 in at least a trail or two...

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

x2..Shotts makes it seem like his 100 is a sports car ....U want 80 series owners to admit we have weaker breaking, you have too admit that the 80 is a better wheeler, and not just because of its smaller size....I tried not to post this time 'cuz this topic is getting old, but a 80 will never be out wheeled by a 100 in any trail, but an 80 will out wheel a 100 in at least a trail or two...

The 100 is a sports car COMPARED to the 80.

The 80 is a better wheeler overall. Admited many times. It's not rocket science.

I've out-wheeled 80's on many obstacles. And they do visa-versa. TRAC has some great advantages over lockers. I've climbed safely and sucessfully where locked 80's were in the ditch and/or near sideways.

An 80 will whoppass a 100 on more than 1 or 2......though there's thousands of trails. The 100's the better vehicle on 95% of the trails. My Lexus will last me forever cause it's only wheeled 5% of the time.

 

[AKcruiserfreak]

I've got to chime in my $.02. In cold weather environments, the 80 blows the 100 out of the water. The 100 will consistently blow CV boots and have more electrical malfuncions whereas the 80 typically keeps trucking along. Of all the 80 series my family and friends have owned I have yet to see any major malfunction that has left the owner stranded. Whereas the 100 series cruisers seem to see the inside of our service center weekly for the afore mentioned issues. I just do not think cold weather testing played into the 100 series design. I'm sure it's great in the warm Arizona-like climates, but not so much in Alaska. Although I will trade my 80 series seats out for the 100's heated variety. ;p

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

I've got to chime in my $.02. In cold weather environments, the 80 blows the 100 out of the water. The 100 will consistently blow CV boots and have more electrical malfuncions whereas the 80 typically keeps trucking along. Of all the 80 series my family and friends have owned I have yet to see any major malfunction that has left the owner stranded. Whereas the 100 series cruisers seem to see the inside of our service center weekly for the afore mentioned issues. I just do not think cold weather testing played into the 100 series design. I'm sure it's great in the warm Arizona-like climates, but not so much in Alaska. Although I will trade my 80 series seats out for the 100's heated variety. ;p

Define "blows out of the water"?

In snow and ice the 80 AND the 100 locked-up BLOW....you used the right word.

In these severe conditions the TRAC and VSC controlling the open diffs takes the 100 places (and safely) a locked 80 OR 100 only dream of. Many have experienced this including myself.

 

[Atticus]

The 100 is a sports car COMPARED to the 80.

The 80 is a better wheeler overall. Admited many times. It's not rocket science.

I've out-wheeled 80's on many obstacles. And they do visa-versa. TRAC has some great advantages over lockers. I've climbed safely and sucessfully where locked 80's were in the ditch and/or near sideways.

An 80 will whoppass a 100 on more than 1 or 2......though there's thousands of trails. The 100's the better vehicle on 95% of the trails. My Lexus will last me forever cause it's only wheeled 5% of the time.

Are you a rocket scientist?

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Are you a rocket scientist?

Far from it. I can barely read these posts! Pictures help me.

 

[AKcruiserfreak]

A little argumentative for someone from Arizona telling me what handles better on ice there Shotts. All I can tell you is the 80 is a driver's vehicle. If you know how to drive on ice the 80 is a firmly planted, sure footed beast. The 100 takes most of the driver's inputs out of the picture, which can be quite dangerous on ice or snow. Once, again both are great vehicles, but the choice for me is an 80 series, locked and loaded. You can't beat it in our climate. Fire away Shotts.

 

[DuManchu]

I want a 100, but not until I can afford to buy one cash (aka, $8K - $9K).

I don't know why these 80-v-100 threads turn into a pissing match time and time again. We all know the brakes on the 80's suck and wear too fast.

The 100 is better in a lot of areas than the 80. The only real things 80's have over 100's are FR/RR lockers and SFA, although the IFS in the 100 has proven time and time again to be quite capable.