1HZ Oil Analysis Comparison Between Oils. (1 Viewer)

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I have been told to run 10W30 oil diesel rated oil for my 1hz and my previous 1hd-t. This is what the japanese run and also what a sticker states on the airbox of most 1hz and 1hd-t cruisers that come out of japan. Japan and BC have similar climates.
I have always made the effort to always buy high quality oil in my case I always buy Shell Rotella T because it is what I have access to where I live and what the truckers run here.

I change my oil at a max of 5000kms religiously.

Out of curiosity one day I decided to get an oil analysis done. My lead numbers came out a bit high indicating bearing wear. This freaked me out a bit when comparing it to other cruisers analysis results. I decided I was going to finish my pail of 10w30 and get another analysis done to see if the cold snap starts and city driving was the main culprit in my high lead numbers. I still had high lead numbers on the second test.

I ended up switching to Rotella T 15W-40 after the 10w-30 supply was finished and was unable to get a full interval with my changes due to a variety of trips I took with the truck. I changed my oil for a big trip I did and I knew after the trip I would get a full 5000kms interval. I could get a good sample finally. I got my oil analyzed and I finally see acceptable lead numbers in comparison to running 10W30. It doesn't look like I need to run a synthetic in the truck.

I don't see the point running a synthetic for the purpose of extended intervals in an IDI diesel because the soot and acidity is far higher than an DI diesel. DI diesels can easily run synthetic and push 10,000km intervals. Its still cheaper for me and I am sure others to run a high quality dino oil in an IDI diesel with 5000km intervals to keep things simple.

Hope this helps other people out with their 1hz or 1hd-t engines when it comes to running a better weighted oil. I personally don't think 10w-30 is suited to these trucks, maybe in very cold conditions but I think maybe running a 5w40 or something might have better protection once up to temperature.

Here is my oil analysis results:
 
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Has you're hz got the original big end bearings? Just wondering if its related to the premature bearing wear that was happening to HDTs from Japan
 
It has the originals.
I am turboing the truck in about a months time.
I am trying to buy some ACL bearings for it to change out as I am dropping the pan.
Problem is I don't want to pay 80 or 90 dollars for a set plus taxes in canada when I can get some out of the US for roughly 30 dollars. Though supplies a drying up apparently.
 
Yeah, I can see hz parts being a bit hard to get over that way. Is there a vendor on mud in Canada that would have them?
 
Radd Cruisers on the island
 
. It doesn't look like I need to run a synthetic in the truck.

I don't see the point running a synthetic for the purpose of extended intervals in an IDI diesel because the soot and acidity is far higher than an DI diesel. DI diesels can easily run synthetic and push 10,000km intervals. Its still cheaper for me and I am sure others to run a high quality dino oil in an IDI diesel with 5000km intervals to keep things simple.

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Ive been saying this for years. Older style diesels dont really rev high enough to use synthetics and also for the reasons you outlined
Old fashioned diesels were doing extremely high klms with dino oil long before synthetics appeared on the scene.
 
Has you're hz got the original big end bearings? Just wondering if its related to the premature bearing wear that was happening to HDTs from Japan

This is my thought on this also, but I could be wrong... I was running Delo 400 5w40 syn but changed it over to Delo 400 10w30 on the advice of a good mechanic and the fact it says it on my air cleaner.

I have changed my BEB's to ACL so I wounder if I did an oil analysis what it would say... Maybe next oil change I will go down that road.
 
This is my thought on this also, but I could be wrong... I was running Delo 400 5w40 syn but changed it over to Delo 400 10w30 on the advice of a good mechanic and the fact it says it on my air cleaner.

I have changed my BEB's to ACL so I wounder if I did an oil analysis what it would say... Maybe next oil change I will go down that road.

We have both based our 10w30 oil choices off the same advice.
I think it would be a great thing to do and really see what is going on. 1HZ engines are not known for BEB failure. 1HD-T have a resonance oil cavitation issue that is the culprit. The later model 1HD-Ts have be fixed.

Either way my bearings will be changed in a matter of weeks.
 
Acidity and soot can be minimised by bypass filtration. Soot is only a problem if it is allowed to aggregate and form particles large enough to damage bearings. Even cheap bypass filters can easily manage 2 microns . The filter I use also traps water which is a major component of acid formation. I run redline 15-40 and change filters every 5000K change all the oil every year. If I had a 1HD or one of those bad big end bearing motors, you can bet id be running an oil with the best fluid film strength money could buy.
 
I plan on doing another sample after my turbo install.
I'll change my oil here at 2500kms because I figure that will be my amount before I drop the pan for BEB change and turbo oil return bung installation.

After that I will probably run another 2500kms so I can flush out the new system and get back on track for my even odometer intervals of say 135,000kms to 140,000kms. I just like making it very easy to remember what my oil changes are at. I am OCD like that.
 
1HD-T have a resonance oil cavitation issue that is the culprit. The later model 1HD-Ts have be fixed.

Interesting thread, and perhaps some good data will continue from this.

Where is the proof that it is cavitation. I've heard this theory put forth before but have seen no concrete proof.

Wondering, as the theory put forth years ago that JDM spec oils were saving the day for the 1HZ/HD-T factory bearings we now know is not true.

1HZ's have shown pitting...just not as common.

gb
 
Interesting thread, and perhaps some good data will continue from this.

Where is the proof that it is cavitation. I've heard this theory put forth before but have seen no concrete proof.
No proof,it just hasnt been discounted like all the other theories.And there was that vague Toyota document that mentioned cavitation but did not mention which 6 cyl diesel they were on about.

An old diesel pump mechanic told me he believed there was a harmonic vibration that was causing the 1HZ 1HD T pumps to wear out quicker than similar sized rotary pumps on other 6 cycl diesels and he believed it was coming from the crank via the pump timing gear.
So Ive always wondered it if the cavatation was the source of this vibration
But as he said ,it was just his theory.


1HZ's have shown pitting...just not as common.

gb

It has to be HP/torque related
 
FWIW On my dads '90 HDJ81 he got it when it had 107k's on it and he did not change the BEB's until this past summer. I was quite surprised at how good they looked as he has put over 120k on it since he received it.

He has been running Delo 400 5w40 syn constantly, now I don't want to turn this into a whole other "what's the best oil thread" but maybe it's something to be said about the oil?

Like I said I will be getting an analysis done on my Delo 400 10w30 and see what it says, maybe I will look at my dads also to see what's going on with his HDT.

Cheers!
 
Do it.
I think it has something mainly to do with the 30w vs the 40w oil
 

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