Battery rewire finished and results

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If it's one complaint I've had with Toyota (atleast late 80- early 90) is the wiring. It seems they went out of their way to use the smallest wire they could find.

I had good results with the supra, and thought I'd do the 80.

All measurements taken at the battery with my Fluke meter

First test:

13.94V warm idle all accessories off

13.09V headlights on

12.86V while rolling down window

I took off the terminals and fully cleaned and retested. Same results. Just wanted to be sure that didn't make a difference.

I changed to marine style terminals as they were better suited for adding connections than stock. I ditched the goofy wing nuts in favor of a real nut.

I cut off the puny negative battery terminal to body wire. I sanded down the area and added a new ground. I soldered a new terminal to the factory ground from terminal to engine bracket that used to be integrated into the factory terminal.


Second test:

14.10V warm idle all accessories off

13.92V headlights on

forgot to test window :doh:

From there, I ran a new cable from the positive terminal to the alternator. This was the only pita job. It's hard to find a route to keep it from heat and sharp edges. I ran it the same basic path as stock. Instead of through the space between the radiator and support I ran it further down and through the opening behind the headlight. It was just too tight of a fit for my taste the other route. I added an ANL fuse right off the battery and connected it to the new terminal. I attached the fuse holder to the back side of the battery box.

Third test:

14.20V warm idle all accessories off

14.18V headlights on

14.08V window down

The headlights are noticeably brighter and no longer do they get brighter off idle when you rev it up. The windows are faster for sure, and can actually roll them both up at the same time and it not take 2 weeks.

I used Flux 4awg wiring for the job. It has a very high strand count so it is super flexible and has a very thick jacket. I also used E2 split style terminals. I like them much better than the cheaper solid copper lugs from Autozone.

I still have the engine to chassis wire to add, just ran out of time. I doubt there will be much difference but it's the last part of the system.

All in all I'm very happy with the results. ~$100 worth of parts and a night of labor.

*Last note, the PO replaced the factory alternator with a non OEM. It isn't a cheapy Duralast, but not certain of the brand. There may be a better output still with an OEM alternator.
 
Great results and posting the measurements help a lot. Thats why people have upgraded to the Slee Harness to provide more current to the lights.

What gauge wire did you use and do you have any photos?
 
Thanks Ken

I swapped up some of the numbers, I have it fixed now. Not sure if you saw it before or after my ninja edit.

I used EFX Flux 4 gauge wiring. I could have gone bigger on the grounds, but it would be a lot more difficult to run 2awg or 0awg for the power.

You can use welding cable and it is a little cheaper. That's what I used on the supra but it's harder to work with.
 
edit.

I used EFX Flux 4 gauge wiring. I could have gone bigger on the grounds, but it would be a lot more difficult to run 2awg or 0awg for the power.

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Thats good data. Saw it before. Thicker wire provides less of a current drop. The 4 AWG is probably good enough and you may not have seen any improvement going to 2. Your not running that much current
 
Yeah I didn't think it would either, especially enough to justify the extra effort and $6.50/ft.

I'm running an aftermarket stereo, that's about it for now.

Pics tomorrow. My camera doesn't do well under the shop lights.
 
I agree that the factory wiring is a bit whimpy. Also the cable has always seemed a bit short if you have anything but exact size oem battery. If you don't want to go through the hassle of making your own wirer urban land cruisers makes a kit. I was going to write a review but never got around to it.
 
I should have specified that I ADDED to the factory wiring, did not replace. So I have 2 cables running from the alternator, not just one.

Also, being a 3FE owner there aren't tons of aftermarket stuff on the shelf for them. Plus I like to DIY.

I took a couple of quick pics with my progress so far. I'll take some better pics when I have my new battery trays and hold downs.

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I edited down the size 3 times and they still look huge. Atleast they aren't billboard size anymore. Let me know if they need to be sized down further.
 
Poppy Walnut, thanks for sharing. This is some great information.. what size anl fuse did you use??
 
Thanks!

I used a 100a fuse. A little oversized for stock, but works for future plans. Besides, if the wire gets shorted to ground it will still blow. Several people don't even fuse the extra line, but I don't run power anything without its own fuse.
 
Thanks!

I used a 100a fuse. A little oversized for stock, but works for future plans. Besides, if the wire gets shorted to ground it will still blow. Several people don't even fuse the extra line, but I don't run power anything without its own fuse.

Thanks Dave.
 
What method do you use to terminate your cable... ie. do you crimp, solder? What tools are needed? I haven't messed with cable of that gauge.
 
Sorry for the late reply.

You need some wire cutters big enough for large gauge wire. Regular side cutters will just hack away at it and make a mess.

I use a razor knife to strip back the insulation. Strippers don't work very well.

I also use the split style terminal ends. They are easier to work with and make a much better crimp over a solid lug style. I use channel locks to crimp it on. Typically you don't want to use a vise. The wire strands are so small you end up breaking strands.

From there I use a Map gas torch and 60/40 multicore solder. You want to use some decent size solder or you'll be feeding it solder all day long. You have to be sure and heat up the terminal itself and melt the solder into it. Otherwise you are just icing it on.

Any other questions just let me know!
 

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