Pump set-up for hydraulic winch

[Brad.S]

I am considering running a hydraulic winch, what I would like to know is what pump set-ups are people running or what would be the best. I have thought about a power steering pump and using an electric clutch pulley off an A/C compressor so the pump is not running all the time, what are your thoughts/ideas.

 

[gotmud]

I had this conversation with a rep from Mile Marker a few months back. His advice was to buy one size larger than you needed due to the Toyota's lower line pressure than that of American ps pumps. Perhaps, as you mentioned, you could source a larger ps pump and put an electric clutch on it. Make sure to take plenty of pics to post here

 

[landtank]

here is my hydraulic install

I've had no regrets putting it in. The only trouble I had with it was realizing that after you spool in at hi speed and shift to lo, you need to spool out in lo for it to change over. If you don't spool out it will remain in hi and not pull worth a damn.

Now that I went with synthetic rope I think the whole thing weights mabe 70 lbs.

 

[Montana Cruiser]

Do a search on posts from "Landtank" on the 80's forum, he did a very clean install of his hydraulic winch, hardlines if I remember correctly.

**Looks like he beat me to it**

 

[Bear80]

The whole "Toyota pumps don't have enough pressure" is complete BS for an 80 series at least. The FSM states that the by pass for the system opens at 1500 psi, my 9K single speed MM calls for 14000 psi. I've seen that the newer 2 speed MM call for 1500 psi, so the system will be trying to by pass right at the pressure needed but I doubt that makes a bit of difference.

So don't waste your time with another pump, you don't need one. Plus the 1fze pump is run right off the crank, don't have to worry about belts.

 

[wildsmith]

Maarten at AAI in Holland gave me the following tip which I've yet to act on: Slow running can also be caused by the banjo bolts on the steerring box and pump having too small holes. Sometimes you find these in 80 series and the vehicle manufacturer sometimes does that to reduce the pumpnoise.

 

[Bear80]

Ah, that would control flow rate slowing the winch down. However, I would also think that could effect line psi but the system should still reach full pressure. None the less, something good to keep in mind.

 

[lowenbrau]

Real hydralic winches want 2000psi and 15 gal/min. The first results in pull and he second results in speed. You'll need a dedicated pump and large tank for that. I chose a PTO drive one but I'd prefer a magnetically controlled engine driven one.

 

[landtank]

my fake winch works just fine for me. I yanked all the shrubs from the front of my house this summer. 3 straight hours of winching without a break. A couple of times the winch was dragging the truck across the driveway which had both front wheels chalked and my son standing on the brake pedal. The winch never did stall once, it was just a case of which one was going to give, the truck or the shrub.

 

[lowenbrau]

my fake winch works just fine for me. I yanked all the shrubs from the front of my house this summer. 3 straight hours of winching without a break. A couple of times the winch was dragging the truck across the driveway which had both front wheels chalked and my son standing on the brake pedal. The winch never did stall once, it was just a case of which one was going to give, the truck or the shrub.

That's the beauty of a hydraulic. It takes an awful lot to overheat them. Pretty slow going with 2 gals/minute though.

 

[landtank]

I don't mind slow, it gives you a little more control in tight situations.

 

[suprathepeg]

What is a decient hydrolic winch worth?

 

[Brad.S]

Thanks all for the feedback, I think I need to do a little more investigation into the sytem that I want, I have heard that the Toyota PS p/p is a little small, I also like to be able turn the p/p off when it is not needed and to looose the PS p/p means no winch or PS, my arms aren't that strong.

 

[Bear80]

Thanks all for the feedback, I think I need to do a little more investigation into the sytem that I want, I have heard that the Toyota PS p/p is a little small, I also like to be able turn the p/p off when it is not needed and to looose the PS p/p means no winch or PS, my arms aren't that strong.

Did you miss what I said just a sec. ago? The Toyota pump is completely adaquite for a MM hydraulic. Maybe a tow truck or industrial hydrualic needs 2000psi but not the MM units.

Even if the winch fails, the solenoids will bypass and you will have full power steering. Other than lossing a line, which would most likely be due to a shoty install there is nothing to worry about lossing power steering.

Too many people are quick to dismiss a choice because of ignorant hypotheticals.

 

[wildsmith]

A PS driven hydraulic winch seems a much simpler install than an electric winch to me. Undo a banjo bolt at the pump, one at the stearing box, fix winch pipe ends in their place, wire in the controller socket, job done. Would be nice if the PS pump could be uprated somehow though.

 

[Bear80]

Would be nice if the PS pump could be uprated somehow though.

Again, I ask why?? You have a dependable TOYOTA product driven off the crank. I don't think you can get more fail proof than that. For the simple install and non stop use of the hydrualic it's the hands down winner.

 

[wildsmith]

Again, I ask why??

Because it's so slow and I'm musing about an uprated Toyota PS pump, not a 3rd party add on. In the 6 years it's been on I've probably used my winch less than 10 times (not counting domestics like tree pulling) and usually for other people's benefit but it's worked every time and I've done zero maintenance on it so I'm with you 100% on simplicity and reliability.

I've had a brand new modified Milemarker (the Type-R) along with big pump, control valves etc stayed sitting in my garage for nearly 3 years now because of the simplicity and reliability of the existing install.

 

[landtank]

I did upgrade my PS cooler and will increase my reservoir size this winter hopefully. Those two things should be looked at with this install.

 

[e9999]

when I was thinking about this, after some good discussions with LT who did a great job, I did contact MM and they told me that the pull would indeed be much lower with the 80 PS pump than the nominal rating, e.g. 9000 out of a 12000 winch etc.

 

[Bear80]

when I was thinking about this, after some good discussions with LT who did a great job, I did contact MM and they told me that the pull would indeed be much lower with the 80 PS pump than the nominal rating, e.g. 9000 out of a 12000 winch etc.

Stop posting BS here. Whoever you spoke to at MM didn't have the Toyota pump numbers. The new 2 speed MM hydraulics have their pull ratings at 1500psi. The Toyota system bypasses at 1500psi, there should not be a drop from being rated at 1200lbs and only pulling 9000lbs. In my case, the single speed MM hydraulic only needs 1400psi so it pulls fully at its rating.

wildsmith - sounds like you have the single speed winch. I know your pain about slow then, but is the Type-R (never head of this with MM) winch the 2 speed? Along with a larger resivor, I might look into making the banjo bolt holes larger.