Winch

[chimyz]

Help!?!?
I've ordered an ARB bumper, and am now exploring winches. What are the things I need to be concerned with when looking at a winch?

Also, what types of winches are compatible with this bumper, I'm assuming some don't fit?

I was honestly thinking of picking up a Warn 9.0rc...just because it looks nice in shiny red and almost 1/2 the weight of others.

Also, what are the advantages and disadvantages of synthetic rope?

Thanks in advance

 

[MutleyFJ62]

Winch choice will be personal, but I'd suggest you look further then the nice shiny red paint! haha
Synthetic rope is great if you use your winch daily, are prepared to replace it every year or so and can keep it out of sunlight. Steel cable is good for the weekend warrior that likes to use the winch once every 6 months or so. Very little maintenance required for the steel rope and its a heap cheaper then Dynarope.

 

[chimyz]

Winch choice will be personal, but I'd suggest you look further then the nice shiny red paint! haha
Synthetic rope is great if you use your winch daily, are prepared to replace it every year or so and can keep it out of sunlight. Steel cable is good for the weekend warrior that likes to use the winch once every 6 months or so. Very little maintenance required for the steel rope and its a heap cheaper then Dynarope.

Yeah, I was just joking about the whole shiny red winch thing. To be honest, the XD9000 looks like a good little workhorse, and I think it would fit in the bumper.

 

[JBHorne]

This chart will help:

http://arbusa.com/uploads/PDF/accessorizeYourRig/toyotaLandCruiser200.pdf

So are winches standardized or something? I mean: how does one winch fit the same holes/bolts as another? And do you really need more pulling power than just the weight of the vehicle? I would assume so...but just asking. I guess I'm just wondering why not go all the way to the WARN 12000?

EDIT: You know, WARN also makes winches with built in air compressor's? Don't know how reliable they are (I would assume they are), but kinda kills 2 birds with 1 stone if you want a compact-ish integrated device.
http://www.clemson4wheel.com/c-339-powerplant-dual-force.aspx

 

[Jonty]

For the ultimate, go hydraulic. A friend has one on his LR3 and it's great - you don't need to worry about overheating etc. I'd also recommend plasma rope rather than steel, but you can change this later.

Around here, many use the Warn xp 9.5.

 

[MutleyFJ62]

When sizing a winch, I work on 1.5 times the loaded vehicle weight. A 9500lb would be barely adequate for a 200. You will also find that the popular winches, like Warn, Premier Winch and Mile Marker are have a standard footprint, bullbar designers take this into account when designing the bar to ensure the winch will fit. A 12,000lbs Warn in the front of your 200 would leave you a nice safety margin and stop the winch from being over stressed.

BTW: Have you guys over there seen the new MileMarker V series winches??? No solenoid packs, all mofset technology, water proof to 10 metres? Develeped and built here in australia in conjunction with TJM??? Worth checking out.

 

[JBHorne]

For the ultimate, go hydraulic. A friend has one on his LR3 and it's great - you don't need to worry about overheating etc. I'd also recommend plasma rope rather than steel, but you can change this later.

Around here, many use the Warn xp 9.5.

+1

Now...as I have managed to blow a power steering pump already...um...yeah....I might go electric...but the idea for hydraulic is great!!! lol

 

[dtt255]

When sizing a winch, I work on 1.5 times the loaded vehicle weight. A 9500lb would be barely adequate for a 200. You will also find that the popular winches, like Warn, Premier Winch and Mile Marker are have a standard footprint, bullbar designers take this into account when designing the bar to ensure the winch will fit. A 12,000lbs Warn in the front of your 200 would leave you a nice safety margin and stop the winch from being over stressed.

BTW: Have you guys over there seen the new MileMarker V series winches??? No solenoid packs, all mofset technology, water proof to 10 metres? Develeped and built here in australia in conjunction with TJM??? Worth checking out.

Linky?????

 

[Atticus]

I have the 12,000lb Warn on my 80. It's a great winch. Really stout. But you should be forewarned that it is heavy as hell. It will cause some droop on your front end, and you might even need new front spings.

Just an FYI. You won't even believe how heavy this thing is.

 

[Trunk Monkey]

I had a Warn M12 on the front end of my 100 and just swapped it out for an M8. The M12 is 136lbs., the M8 is only 70. I had to crank the front end up a bunch to compensate for the weight of the winch and ARB bar. I would have gone with the XP, but price played a major factor too and it's nearly as much as the M12 whereas the new M8 was only $500 shipped. It all depends on your usage. If you wheel alone and in situations where you could get REALLY stuck (river beds, mud, etc.), I'd go M12.

You can't fit any of the "i" model winches with the integrated solenoid pack, won't fit in the bar. Some of the Warn winches require a spacer kit to fit certain ARB bars, not sure on the 200 bar.

As for synthetic, it's great that it's light and safe if it breaks, but it's suspectible to UV damage left on the drum, deterioration from salt, etc., and melting to the drum if the winch gets hot. For my very occasional use, the steel cable it comes with is best.

 

[dtt255]

I have the M12 and have to agree that it is a HEAVY beast. I would rather have the extra power if needed.

I tried to lower the weight by getting a whichline synthetic rope.

About the spacer comment. Just an FYI there were no spacers included with the ARB bar for different size winches. I would call ARB though before I assume that some sort of spacers are NOT needed for the smaller winches indicated would fit.

 

[Atticus]

I had a Warn M12 on the front end of my 100 and just swapped it out for an M8. The M12 is 136lbs., the M8 is only 70. I had to crank the front end up a bunch to compensate for the weight of the winch and ARB bar. I would have gone with the XP, but price played a major factor too and it's nearly as much as the M12 whereas the new M8 was only $500 shipped. It all depends on your usage. If you wheel alone and in situations where you could get REALLY stuck (river beds, mud, etc.), I'd go M12.

You can't fit any of the "i" model winches with the integrated solenoid pack, won't fit in the bar. Some of the Warn winches require a spacer kit to fit certain ARB bars, not sure on the 200 bar.

As for synthetic, it's great that it's light and safe if it breaks, but it's suspectible to UV damage left on the drum, deterioration from salt, etc., and melting to the drum if the winch gets hot. For my very occasional use, the steel cable it comes with is best.

If the winch is for occasional self-recovery primarily, then I think that 8000 pounds is fine, as long as you have a snatch block to double the pull. For long, single-line pulls, the 8000 may be inadequate. If you're in mud, then the problem is exacerbated.

 

[dtt255]

If the winch is for occasional self-recovery primarily, then I think that 8000 pounds is fine, as long as you have a snatch block to double the pull. For long, single-line pulls, the 8000 may be inadequate. If you're in mud, then the problem is exacerbated.

Very true....I don't have alot of options to use a snatch block in the desert here, hence the larger winch/

 

[Atticus]

Very true....I don't have alot of options to use a snatch block in the desert here, hence the larger winch/

I don't really understand what you are saying. If you have something you can anchor to (which you must have or the winch wouldn't do much good), then why can't you attach a snatch block to that same anchor and double up your line? The only reason you can't use a snatch block, as a general rule, is because you are too far away from the anchor (like if you are in a stream or something similar).

 

[dtt255]

I don't really understand what you are saying. If you have something you can anchor to (which you must have or the winch wouldn't do much good), then why can't you attach a snatch block to that same anchor and double up your line? The only reason you can't use a snatch block, as a general rule, is because you are too far away from the anchor (like if you are in a stream or something similar).

What I mean is that where I go in the desert, I need to use my pullpal to get myself out of most things.
I know I can use the block with it...but t feels too unsafe.

 

[Atticus]

What I mean is that where I go in the desert, I need to use my pullpal to get myself out of most things.
I know I can use the block with it...but t feels too unsafe.

Well, winching is an inherently unsafe practice, but there exist a number of precautions which can minimize the risk.

I don't see why using a block would be a problem on a pullpal, but I've never used a pullpal.

 

[donjuanmiguel]

I'm on the verge of purchasing a winch but am undecided as to which one. I'm a rookie when it comes to winching so any advice would be appreciated. If I go with the 12k, I have to order a fit kit for the ARB bumper. I down the beach, through snow at times, and don't like getting into deep mud. On the flip side, I take my kids camping often, usually alone.

What I mean is that where I go in the desert, I need to use my pullpal to get myself out of most things.
I know I can use the block with it...but t feels too unsafe.

Dtt, if you use the pullpal, why the winch? If you had it to do over again, would you still buy a winch and if so, would it be the 12k?

Thanks.

 

[JBHorne]

I'm on the verge of purchasing a winch but am undecided as to which one. I'm a rookie when it comes to winching so any advice would be appreciated. If I go with the 12k, I have to order a fit kit for the ARB bumper. I down the beach, through snow at times, and don't like getting into deep mud. On the flip side, I take my kids camping often, usually alone.



Dtt, if you use the pullpal, why the winch? If you had it to do over again, would you still buy a winch and if so, would it be the 12k?

Thanks.

I'd get the 9.5XP. The 12,000 is nice, but way too heavy. It's built on a large frame style whereas the 8.5 is a medium frame. There is a huge weight difference.

I run mine with a synthetic rope.

The 9.5XP is also a much faster winch and has a more powerful motor than the M12. 6.5HP I believe vs. 4?

It's a thinner cable (5/16 vs. 3/4 correct?) and is also 25ft shorter however, but you can use an extender if needed.

For me, the 12,000 wasn't worth the weight, even though price wise they are very close.

Have any of you 200 guys needed to use a winch yet? I've never have. Even on sand you couldn't even walk up (and ice too) with all the traction aids the 200 has, I've climbed it all winch-less.

As an aside, Mitch, I still don't understand how you like crawl control! I tried it the other day when I had to go down a steep decent with rocks and once I started rocking back and forth with a tire 2' in the air, I turned it off immediately! I cannot stand the rocking motion...that's the last thing you want to feel when you are rocking on sliders holding the vehicle from tipping!

 

[davegonz]

One thing that was not mentioned when talking about M10k and M12k type of winches. These winches were designed to be mounted feet forward and not feet down. If mounted feet down, the winch is strong enough to shear the bolts out of the casting. So make sure you check the mounting type of your bull bar and your winch manufacturer's recommendations.

 

[JBHorne]

One thing that was not mentioned when talking about M10k and M12k type of winches. These winches were designed to be mounted feet forward and not feet down. If mounted feet down, the winch is strong enough to shear the bolts out of the casting. So make sure you check the mounting type of your bull bar and your winch manufacturer's recommendations.

Good point. The ARB bar for the 200 is mounted in the feet forward position, so no worries there.

If you get the 9.5XP make sure they move the silicone drain plug! Many installers will forgo this step as it can take a while if you accidentally pull the motor off its shaft while doing the process. The instruction manual barely discusses this either. It's like a 10 word sentence on one of the pages with no diagram of how to do so.