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Just returned from trip to France and rented 2 diesel cars that got almost 60 mpg. Other car at home is a 2012 bmw 328 wagon with 6 speed manual that she drives. She's not happy with LC right now, had to drive it a few days this week.....
Really we do drive a lot, probably 37k per year between us both. We have 1 kid and one on the way. I calculated mpg savings with a new jetta sportwagen tdi and I actually think the savings would cover depreciation of a new car.....

Help!


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Help with what? You are comparing to a Jetta? Even a petrol Jetta gets double the mileage of a Land Cruiser, which makes sense since it's a little car. Not sure what you expect from a full size SUV with relatively old engine technology (efficiencies).
 
Okay, pretend the LC didn't exist and you gave a s?!& about mpg- what would you drive?


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My kids and wife ride in the LX. Peace of mind isn't cheap sometimes. If your LC is paid for and you use it, why not buy a used good MPG car and rack up miles on it.... You could probably be even money with the gas differential.
 
Okay, pretend the LC didn't exist and you gave a s?!& about mpg- what would you drive?
If seriously concerned with MPG, I'd say stay Toyota and buy a Prius. Got one for the wife, don't really have complaints other than size, it's simply a nice car and gets the job done. Kinda wish I got the Prius V instead for more space. I still DD an 01 Corolla that burns and leaks oil...gets a ridiculous 37mpg with over 200k, a lead foot and AC running...so yeah, I second the idea of buying a puddle jumper for you to commute in.

If you're having another kid, it's a no-brainer IMO to keep them in the Cruiser for safety reasons alone and just suck it up on the fuel economy like everyone else does. Perhaps readdress this question in a few years when Toyota hopefully gets off their ass and provides us with diesel options.
 
One of my first posts on MUD was about gas mileage and I got whacked good for bringing it up (again) :) There's nothing you can do that helps much with the gas mileage if it's your daily driver. If mpg is the main concern, go with the Sportwagon you mentioned. My DD is an AWD Highlander Hybrid that I really like and when I drive it carefully I can get well over 30 mpg in the city; close to double what I get with L.C. And when I don't drive it carefully the HiHy is a blast because it's wicked fast off the line.
 
Same here. We have a 2010 Ford Fiesta for the daily school runs, shopping etc and the lX for the camping trips.
It is a bit difficult to tow the Kimberly Kamper with the Fiesta over the beach and rocks.
 
Clean throttle body, change plugs, O2 sensors, change air filters and oil, dont over - accelerate unless necessary, keep tires properly inflated, few options that help with mpg.
 
@cardyjones, how many mpg is your cruiser getting?
 
My kids and wife ride in the LX. Peace of mind isn't cheap sometimes. If your LC is paid for and you use it, why not buy a used good MPG car and rack up miles on it.... You could probably be even money with the gas differential.

This. We got an 3rd car that is electric for in town scooting around. We are just about even with the gas differential. At the end of 5 years, we won't have really saved any 'gas' money, but will have a 3rd car to show for it and a well kept low mileage cruiser for continued adventures.
 
The depreciation on anything better would negate the savings from fuel economy.

If you consider the costs of depreciation, increased insurance, and increased initial cost, then the cruiser is the way to go.
The cruiser is safe and secure and you already own it.

If you commute long distances and are not too concerned with safety and comfort, then the jetta makes sense.
 
The depreciation on anything better would negate the savings from fuel economy.

If you consider the costs of depreciation, increased insurance, and increased initial cost, then the cruiser is the way to go.
The cruiser is safe and secure and you already own it.

If you commute long distances and are not too concerned with safety and comfort, then the jetta makes sense.
Ditto.
 
I have owned lots of turbo Subarus that averaged 24-26mpg.

They had higher performance and safety ratings than most other cars and they are fun to drive.

My job led me to more of a true off-road capable vehicle need and I bought an FJ62. I bought the FJ62 as a cash car and I loved it. I wasn't impressed with the mileage and the weak sauce power, but it was 100% reliable and worked great on slimy trails and rough woods that I went through that other trucks didn't make it. It didn't have child seat latches and we had a new baby, so I bought a used 100.

The 100 gets 14-16mpg, no better. It is a very capable off road vehicle that should last over 300k miles with good maintenance. Hard to find another SUV that can be so reliable, ride so well, carry as much stuff, and have a capable AWD WITH LOW RANGE. It is also a very safe vehicle that tends to win every wreck I have seen pics of. This makes it a win over so many other vehicles that get better mileage.

Saving a few thousand bucks in gasoline will not matter in the end if all you have done is driven a vehicle that can't do anything but roll down the smooth road, barely haul 4 people with little to no luggage, and be generally incapable of anything but rolling through suburbia during perfect circumstances.

Landcruiser >almost all other vehicles in a crash


If I do sell my Landcruiser, I would likely only trade it for a turbo Subaru again of some model....

I really love the heavy duty capability that the Landcruiser has. Unfortunately, that also means living with somewhat poor fuel mileage.

My friend has a new 2wd ecoboost ford truck that only gets 13mpg and he drives very easy. I don't feel too bad about my Landcruiser.

YMMV.....

My wife loves her 200 series even though it rarely breaks 17mpg.... She sure does love the confidence of being in one of the toughest vehicles on the road, especially with our kids inside.
 
The depreciation on anything better would negate the savings from fuel economy. If you consider the costs of depreciation, increased insurance, and increased initial cost, then the cruiser is the way to go.
The cruiser is safe and secure and you already own it. .

Thisx10. I have a daily driver car that I use for trips where it's long, just me in the car, and/or I'm driving somewhere I don't want to risk damage to the vehicle. Get something cheap for that and put your effort into your LC for long trips or when you have passengers..

With kids on the way, you'll appreciate the LC soon enough..
 
Use the safety argument. You value your family more than you value saving a few thousand dollars a year.

Dying in an automobile accident is the leading cause of death for all Americans aged 1-34. It's the number one risk for pregnant women, it's the number one risk for your kids, it's the number one risk for you.

The NHTSA recently did research on what variables impacted survivability in side impact collisions. The safest seats were the ones in an SUV. (See "Development of a Lateral Test Procedure", slide 14, here: http://www.nhtsa.gov/Research/Child Seat Research) In a side impact collision, the variation between the best and worst car seats in these tests were greater than the variation between the best (Britax Advocate) and worst (Diono Radian 65) car seats here: [EDIT: corrected the link] www.nhtsa.gov/staticfiles/rulemaking/pdf/213-nprm-side_impact.pdf, p82, Figure 9.

In other words, the safety of the car you put the seat in is more important than the safety of the car seat you install (although both are important).

The reason you're paying a lot in gas in physics: it takes more fuel to accelerate a tall heavy vehicle than a lighter smaller one. But physics is also the reason the Land Cruiser is so safe. Heavier vehicles are safer in a collision than light ones because they have greater momentum. Taller vehicles keep your vital organs (head and chest) higher off the ground, and above the crush zones of other vehicles. That's why SUVs are 7 times safer than cars in head to head collisions (10 times safer if the SUV has a better crash test rating than the car does). http://www.buffalo.edu/news/releases/2013/05/026.html

According to the IIHS, the Toyota Camry has an injury rate of 133-141% compared to the average American vehicle. While an upgrade over the Altima (especially an older Altima), it's still a sedan and will not fare well in a collision with a larger vehicle. An 03 Land Cruiser, by contrast, had an injury rate of 41% of the average American vehicle.
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/topics/insurance-loss-information

Furthermore, the driver death rate on all vehicle classes is lowest for midsize to large SUVs. Compared to a midsize sedan, the average large SUV in 2010 was about 3-4 times safer than the average midsize sedan.

The latest stats on a VW Jetta show a driver death rate of 27 compared to 46 for Camry and 13 for a GX470 (2006-2009 models). These are statistically adjusted to account for age, gender, location, and demographic factors. Latest injury results show injury rates of 110-118% (Jetta), and 133-141% (Camry).

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/topics/t/vehicle-size-and-weight/qanda#vehicle-size-and-weight
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/topics/driver-death-rates

The other thing that's interesting is that the Toyota brand is very good at making safe SUVs. All models have been "Excellent" except for the RAV4 and first gen 4WD Sequoia, which were still above average.

And it's not just about demographics (i.e. who's buying SUVs). For example, Japanese full size pickups only appeal to a certain segment of the population.

The Toyota Tundra and the Nissan Titan both look like big safe trucks, but only one was a IIHS Top Safety Pick, and only one did very well in crash testing. Drivers who chose the Toyota in 2006-2009 were among the safest drivers in America, with an adjusted driver death rate of 20 per million. Drivers who chose the Nissan were among the least safe drivers in America with an adjusted driver death rate of over 100 per million. In other words, a 2008 Toyota Tundra is 5 times safer than a 2008 Nissan Titan.

In 1999, Ford bought Volvo, the leading brand in safety innovation and research. At that time, Ford and Chevy drivers had about the same driver death rate. Safer than Mitsubishi, but nowhere near as safe as Honda or Toyota. About 5 years later, Ford began releasing new models with better crush zones. The redesigned F-150 was designed so that the engine compartment absorbed most of the energy, instead of the cabin compartment on the previous generation. As a result, the driver death rate was cut in half.
From 2005-2008, drivers of new Fords were about as safe as drivers of new Hondas and Toyotas, much safer than drivers of Chevy or Nissan.

I literally knew nothing about the 100 series when I began doing safety research on what was the safest car I could put my family in. I "discovered" the Land Cruiser by searching for a vehicle that had size, mass, build quality, stability control, and low driver death rates and injury rates.

The only thing that I know is safer than a 100 series is a 200 series, and even then not by much. If your truck control has stability control and side curtain airbags you can't put your family in something much safer.

PM me if you want more data (I have a lot!)
 
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Safe family hauler = minivan. Just get one. It will double your fuel economy vs the Land Cruiser.

If you want a TDI and you're looking for justification, just get one. They look nice, get crazy economy, but seem small for a family vehicle.

If safety is your #1 concern (sounds like fuel economy is, but...) then keep the Land Cruiser you already own.

It's all a balance. If you can afford a $35,000 JSW (Jetta Sport Wagon-TDI forum lingo!) you can afford to keep driving the Land Cruiser.

While my kids were growing up we went through 4 minivans-2 pos Dodges, 2 Toyotas. Still have the last Toyota. They are by far the best family vehicle you can own. They have roughly 50% more interior volume than your Land Cruiser and get double the fuel economy. There are even rumors that Toyota will put the hybrid system in the Sienna at some point. That would be pretty cool.
 

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