I guess I'm not serious because that's my full bodied 80 at some of the hardest rock crawling trails in Calif Fordyce Creek and Wrecking ball trail in Johnson ValleyI think anyone "serious" about rock crawling is not driving an 80. Just my opinion, you can attempt to make it into a rock crawler, but at that point you don't end up with much "80" left
post #19 Just sayin