who else besides DTT255 has a 200?

[pkfj]

The average LX 570 will most likely be optioned up

to 90,000 dollars with out any mark-up..So, relatively

speaking, the Land Cruiser will still be a good value.

 

[1loudLX]

nothing like a internet forum to try and make you feel bad about buying a Land Cruiser huh?

Im not doing that, im just giving the guy a hard time, hehe. All jokes here, no harm intended.

 

[justimaginejack]

We will find out the prices soon enough, I am not sure what options would send it to 90K but wouldn't count it out with the way the dollar is going. I think toyota is hedging thier bets. That said I was told by the dealer here they have already sold out thier alotment and are priced at 80,100. that could be the base I don't think anyone is scheduled to take delivery until January.
That said, even with the Luxuries on the LX, the new suspension system will be nothing like the LC and I wonder how close the Articulation will be since it will not to my knowledge have KDSS. I also want them to prove it to be more reliable. The LX Suspension has cost many people I know thousands. In my opinion they will have to make significant improvemnts over the outgoing model. I am not bagging on the LX, it has one significant weak point, and while many of you have never experianced it, I know to many that have. It is a problem I would expect from a landrover, not Lexus.

 

[1loudLX]

JIJ, i think the AHC is very reliable(watch, mines going to break tomorrow after exactly 8 years). The reason it has cost people you know thousands is probably due to wherever they service their vehicles the tech/repairman puts the wrong fluid in it.

Honestly, seriously, how many people do you know have had problems with their AHC? How come we dont see that many people posting complaining about it here on mud, the landcruiser forum? Im not saying your blowing smoke, but post up sources and facts to that. The only cases i know of is not of actual failure of the AHC system, but people putting brake fluid/power-steering fluid/washer fluid.....crap thats not supposed to be there.

Kind of like back in the day with the old 911s which had a door for fuel and a door for oil. Service stations would put fricking gasoline in the oil filler causing alllllllllllllll kinds of problems. i believe after a year or two of that design, porsche took the oil door off. Maybe toyota/lexus should have redesigned the bottle to help distinguish it as AHC fluid only. I know even where i get my oil changed, the old man that works there always checks my AHC container and asks, "what is this?" I just say "dont touch it"



Oh and on the 80k price for the LX570, almost always lexus sells the first batch of cars/trucks they get in for a new model, with pre-optioned out packages. It would take some time, and most likely have to be a special ordered case to get a "base" model.

 

[r3run33]

i have to agree with loud i am not a service tech but spent a lot of time with the head guy at out local lexus dealership when my 06 had lots of problems and we went over many points with the 100 and he sttes the only problems the have with the ahc is that the wrong fluid is put in there; and when a vehicle gets overloaded (oz guys will back me up on this one) but no failures out of regular use.

 

[1loudLX]

i have to agree with loud i am not a service tech but spent a lot of time with the head guy at out local lexus dealership when my 06 had lots of problems and we went over many points with the 100 and he sttes the only problems the have with the ahc is that the wrong fluid is put in there; and when a vehicle gets overloaded (oz guys will back me up on this one) but no failures out of regular use.

damn that was a run-on sentence!! guess your screename fits you well huh??

 

[justimaginejack]

Loud, I appreciate your candor. I understand that the default could be mainly the Technicians. I usually get my vehicle serviced at Lexus, most of my family does as well. If they are the ones causing the problem, I still don't want to own it, especially out of warrenty. I am not attempting to denigrade a great vehicle. Simply to point out that in my experiance the weakness of the great vehicle is significant and costly to an owner. I test drove a certified 03LX and while I was in the parking lot of my mothers work showing my parents the suspension height adjustment, the pump went out. I did not know what happened but it just sank and would not adjust. "so much for the reliability.." says my dad who owned a damn caddy.
When i got it back, they had it inspected, told me the pump went bad, it was 800.00 for the part and that it was fairly common to be replaced on that model. I live in st.louis, there is not much a soccer mom who drives the LX to pick up the kids ... can do to destroy it. Iam sure I did not break it buy adjusting it. Must be the maintinance guys.
I was orginally turned on to Landcruisers years ago. We have a retired Three star general in our family, and it was his vehicle of preference(LX470). Then he had suspension issues and now will only buy the LC, I belive he has had two since then. Between the pumps and the shocks, it can run from 1-5k for repairs. I just don't like that, especially when the repairs won't come with a warrenty to justify the cost.
Again the LX is nice, especially the features, but I feel the reliability of the LC's suspension is much better in stock form. The new addition of the KDSS will no doubt shock many naysayers.

 

[1loudLX]

JIJ, if a dealership told you they could make your landcruiser fly, would you believe them? They said the pump went bad? It very well might have but who is to say that it wasnt something else? Did they actually show you the AHC pump being replaced? They most likely told you it was the AHC pump and that it was a "common thing to be replaced" so as to not scare you out of the vehicle. Its really not that common.


Also, in other markets landcruisers are sold with AHC, so its not only a LX thing. On a Certified LX470 also, you should get a pretty extensive warranty coverage FROM Lexus, which covers the AHC. If you didn't get the warranty with your purchase, then the car wouldn't be considered "certified" and just be a used LX470.

I understand its your opinion that the regular(non-AHC) suspension of the 100s is superior to the AHC equipped vehicles, but I think you have been slightly misguided by salesmen. Either way, The 200 series should have 10 years of 100 series service records and such put into the thought process of the engineering. 200 Will most likely be an improvement/advancement in suspension technology and reliability.......but i still think the 200 is ugly.

 

[Jim_Chow]

...why we got an LX for about the same price as the LC back in 2000. Figured why not get the better service/warranty for the same price.

I paid less for my CPO LX than non-CPO LC's of the same age but w/ 20K more miles!

My guess is not many people will pay $73K for a new Toyota. I'd expect a LX for that price. Similarly, $80K for the LX570 is steep if that's what the price is gonna be. For that much, buyers will be considering the Cayenne and RR. The LX will have no price/performance advantage. Although we figure it probably has the advantage offroad, hardly anyone buying a new $80K SUV is going to wheel it. For $80K, the LX should have a supercharger or twin I/C turbos.

At least you get the 5.7L here. The LC 200 in Japan only comes w/ the 2UZ! (price rose $5K-10K over the 100)

 

[alaskacruiser]

1loudLX- From what I've seen on the 100 forum, the AHC is a weak link for enough people that I consider it to be unnecessary extra hardware that potentially adds major expense and detracts from reliability.

Want some examples from the forum? OK, here goes (and this is only from a quick search):

1. https://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=185743&highlight=AHC

2. https://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=181809&highlight=AHC

3. https://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=179053&highlight=AHC

4. https://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=170747&highlight=AHC

5. https://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=163295&highlight=AHC

6. https://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=161441&highlight=AHC

7. https://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=150501&highlight=AHC

8. https://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=119843&highlight=AHC

9. https://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=109394&highlight=AHC

10. https://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=104495&highlight=AHC


It sounds to me like the system has quite a few problems, including not being able to deal with heavy loads that are within the specified load limit. I think it is awfully convenient to blame all or most of these problems on people using the wrong fluid when that is unknown in all of these cases. It could be the fluid, or it could merely be that the AHC is a "weak link" in an otherwise solid vehicle. When i say "weak link", I am comparing it to the otherwise great reliability of the rest of the vehicle.

JIJ, i think the AHC is very reliable...
Honestly, seriously, how many people do you know have had problems with their AHC? How come we dont see that many people posting complaining about it here on mud, the landcruiser forum?

 

[justimaginejack]

Loud, you make some good points, I belive I did not state that coil and spring was superior, I stated that it was more reliable, less prone to any problems and cheaper to maintain.
As you mentioned, the LX suspension is available elsewhere, it was also added to the LC in the last 24 months of production, and accordingly those models suspensions reliability rating dropped.
Please understand that I think the world of Lexus and thier thier warranty, and yes, as a salesman myself, I understand that I my embellish to get my point across, and he may have been doing so as well. Either way, the LC is similar enough to me, that is does not warrant the worries. Why pay 10K more and be making the payments on it when you will be driving an ES, GS or RX as a Loaner when it is in the shop. From what I can tell, you also own a Porche, a fine machine with a specific purpose, this would lead me to believe that you may not be a sensitive to the Total cost of ownership as I am. I wish I had that privledge.
If you would like we can continue this in chat, I do appreciate your opinions. I feel I have hijacked this thread and apologize to the creator.

 

[1loudLX]

damn straight, its my thread stop hijacking! just kidding.


If you want to make the ES/RX loaner bid, well if you pay just a few thousand less for a LC, you get to drive a corolla or yaris as a loaner! Thats even better right?

Yes, your right that regular suspension is less prone to problems and cheaper to maintain. Still doesnt negate the fact that AHC has been pretty solid as long you use proper fluid.

 

[rdy2run]

hi was reading this tread and had a question will the service people fixing a lexus work harder than the one fixing toyotas

 

[1loudLX]

the ones fixing the lexus might work more inteligently, but it all comes down to the personal tech. I know ive seen some hard working techs at toyota, and some lame asses at lexus. But, if you look at the numbers, more LX470s have been sold over the LandCruiser. That might mean that techs are more familiar with working on a LX over the LC at their respective shops.

 

[justimaginejack]

Loud is very correct. Lexus owners tend to take their vehicles to the dealers and their techs have more experiance as a result. this, as stated is not a hard and fast rule. The one "rule" I have, is to never be the first, I don't want them learning on my dollar. If they have never worked on an LC/LX, they will treat it like anything else, this has proven to be costly. And Yes, the service rep, the salesman and the Owner of a "reputable" toyota dealer will all lie thier ass off to get you to use thier service dept, and then they will lie to defend thier mistakes. Thier is a significant reason why Lexus Dealerships rank Dramitically higher in customer satisfaction. I checked the BBB, of the dealerships here in St.louis, very few have no bad reports, most have several! If a dealer has been around for 30 years and has had no bad reports, they are either paying someone off, or taking care of the customer.

Man, what loud said was much shorter.

 

[1loudLX]

as long as i dont use pictures right?

 

[lexusrottie]

Hi I am a new old man on the block , got two questions .
Has anybody found out about the removal of the 3rd row seat , like it can be done with the previous models . Is it possible to remove ??
And secondly those pesky DRL's can they be turn off ??

 

[twstrchasr]

Hi I am a new old man on the block , got two questions .
Has anybody found out about the removal of the 3rd row seat , like it can be done with the previous models . Is it possible to remove ??
And secondly those pesky DRL's can they be turn off ??

I was chastised ruthlessly for asking the same question weeks ago...Some smartassed rube tried to explain that they could be removed just as easily as the second row in a 100. Boy, that was a wealth of help !! Why you would want to remove the 2nd row out of a 100 is anyone's guess...So, to answer your question ...Who knows why Toyota didn't engineer the 3rd row seats to be easily removed like the ones in the 80 and 100 is anybody's guess !! I think it was a stupid oversight, IMO.

As for the DRL's....No idea here but do a search on the 100, I think it has been covered already..

Welcome to the show !!

 

[1loudLX]

well the second row on a 100 CAN be taken out easily, its a total of 8 bolts for both seats....

 

[lexusrottie]

Thanks guys.
I need the extra space , definitively I would not want to get the 2008 Sequoia just to get the interior the size of a cave.
I think the Toyota engineers were only concern about installing the new 5.7 liter engine and did not pay much attention to the rest of the LC.
The LC reminds me of the African Wildebeest very strangely put together.
But in spite of these observation I am planning to get one , the question is when.