WEBER VS OEM: The Facts

[Mace]

I didnt think I would ever be completely on Mace's side but I think he hit it on the head.

JB, you are fairly off base on the dellortos.. They were and still are excellent carbs but unfortunately are not as readily available as they used to be. there are actualy very few differences between the Dells, and a Webber. which is not suprising because they basically were designed by the same person..
And that applies to both the one barrels and the 2 barrels..

Stumbagh.. go drink a beer and reflect on the 200+ HP tractor motors...


Again, it is all about how you set the carb up. Some carbs inherently will be better for angles because of their float design. But the key is just knowing someone that can setthem up well for your application.

 

[Gumby]

I ran Dellortos on my BMW and they ran great at whatever lean angles that bike was capable of.

You pretty much lost credibility, JB, when you couldn't let the spelling thing go. Once made your point. Over and over made an entirely different point.

Here's my main point in the Weber vs. Aisen debate:

Aisens, properly set up, run very, very well. There is a lot of improvements that can be made to a 2F, why mess with something that works well? As stated, you need someone to properly set up most any carb. There have been many references to a guy that I would not hesitate to reccomend myself to set up your Aisen.

Webers have mixed reviews. If I'm debating about two different parts, one that works well and one that works well sometimes or for some people, guess which one I'm going to pick?

 

[2badfjs]

Q:You pretty much lost credibility, JB, when you couldn't let the spelling thing go. Once made your point. Over and over made an entirely different point

i myself thought it was funny


LOL! AISENS? nice

 

[Landpimp]

its not a Land Cruiser...............................................




















carb..

sorry wrong thread

 

[Gumby]

Q:You pretty much lost credibility, JB, when you couldn't let the spelling thing go. Once made your point. Over and over made an entirely different point

i myself thought it was funny


LOL! AISENS? nice

Sorry, Aisan. Can't spell, don't give a rat's ass.

 

[2badfjs]

Sorry, Aisan. Can't spell, don't give a rat's ass.

aww, someone needs a huge....................................







































MACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[jb welda]

>You pretty much lost credibility, JB, when you couldn't let the spelling thing go.

and you pretty much lost credibility when you brought this up.

how do you get those double bird flipping smiley anyhow? i need one now.

one love
jah bill

 

[Mace]

aww, someone needs a huge....................................







































MACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Huge what???






Here jb, you have have this one

 

[kulangot]

>>moronic? thanks for the compliment.

Your wellcome!

>ferraris are POS? hmmm, thats interesting. yes they take tuning; most high >strung cars do. americans are used to mall cruisers so anything that requires >a bit of tweaking is a "pos" to a lot of folks.

I was thinking more along the lines of buring to the ground along the side of the road from electrical fires, using massive amounts of oil when new, countless tow ins to the dealer ship that were DOA, massive failures of major components, problems that techs can't troubleshoot or even begin to resolve, all the good crappy car stuff. How do I know? My friend worked for a Ferrari dealer for a few years before he walked off the job one day. He had 30 years of turning wrenches at VW and Benz and could not stand Ferrari - what does that tell you?

Not to mention the fact, that aside from making some really fast cars, they make some really lame cars for dentists to drive around in.

To put some Land Cruiser content in the post, I don't know how you can even compare a car like a Ferrari or a race car to a Land Cruiser. I really can't see how you can make a connection that because Enzo once used Webers that they would be great carbs. And, while we are on the subject, Ferrari put out a lot of cars with BOTH Weber and Dellorto...get your facts straight.

>of course there *is* my lotus seven with twin webers (spelling) but i wont go >into that.

OK, now we all think that you are the coolest guy ever! That might impress some folks at the Land Rover board...

If you don't have any first hand experince with the subject matter at hand, I don't think you have much to offer with making references to things that are not relevent.

 

[Mace]

How do I know? My friend worked for a Ferrari dealer for a few years before he walked off the job one day. He had 30 years of turning wrenches at VW and Benz and could not stand Ferrari - what does that tell you?

If you don't have any first hand experince with the subject matter at hand, I don't think you have much to offer with making references to things that are not relevent.

Pot, meet kettle....

 

[kulangot]

Mace,

You got me on the Ferrari smack talking...that was word of mouth through one of my riding buddies bitching about work everyday on a mountain bike ride.

But, since 1988 I started out thinking the stock Aisin sucked so I tried: Holley 2 Barrel, Rodchester 2 barrel, Weber 32/36, Weber 38 and by the mid 1990's went back to Aisin.

That I think I can soundly comment on.

Now I want to try Propane so I can get green tags and drive on HOV with Super Swampers just to piss off the green weeny hippies.

-

 

[Mace]

Funny, this entire argument I was sitting back wondering when the king of all fuels (propane) was going to rear its stinky head

 

[jb welda]

well this thing has gotten all offtrack so let me summarize my thoughts on the subject but first prefacing it with this: me and carburetors never got along. i have someone i trust set them up because i never had any luck with them though i understand them in concept and ive read the dellorto book on tuning their carbs and like you mention much of it relates directly to webers.

now to restate what i think ive stated more than once: i dont mean how well they (weber carbs) work for land cruisers, i meant in general. as you say its a world of difference between running webers in your lotus seven and in a cruiser; one obvious difference is ive rarely taken my seven off camber on a steep slope and rarely taken it from sea level to 10k feet without retuning the motor (and having my mechanic buddy along to deal with the carbs). thats why i have efi in my cruiser: so i dont have to f with it.

so all this second hand talk about ferrari this and ferrari that (i guess i brought it up) is besides the point, as is your contention that some friend of yours worked on vws for years but couldnt hack it at ferrari for whatever reason. they are hand built quality cars not meant for the great unwashed nor for the gotta-have-the-best yuppie crowd that often owns (and frequently crashes) them but rarely even lift the hood themselves.

again i never intended to compare some other car, race car or whatever, to the f'in brick that a land cruiser is. i also never meant to lump all weber carbs into one group: they make some time tested and proven stuff and they make some real crap (like those stupid pinto or whatever they are carbs that are foisted on vw owners in single carb configuration with an intake manifold guaranteed to cause the fuel mixture to turn to drops before it even gets close to the combustion chamber and flat spot off idle like no ones business). so as with everything there are good webers and not so good webers and pure crap webers. as for dells i say good riddance and im just as firm on that as you seem to be on your dislike for webers, and i think neither of us have a lock on wisdom on this point.

so in summary for a tlc i would stick to the stock carb. if you want performance and are willing to do some frustrating R&D you could probably get a weber to work fine if you want to put up with less than optimal adapters that introduce air leaks and linkage that binds and all that. personally im too old to screw with it anymore so i did a conversion to efi and it seems like end of problem. you and others might think that blasphemy and all i can say to that is cool, you do what you want and i do what i want.

as for your comment about how cool i may be over owning a lotus, you basically started it by bringing up one of the most overrated cars ever, a porsche 356. when i owned them they were 1500$ for a good one, now they are so ridiculously priced it is funny. give me a lotus anyday; at least you dont have to talk to overfed, overpampered american yuppies in their porsches who think they have the be all and end all of cars but in reality own a foul running, overheating, oil leaking (well i own some brit cars so look who is talking), overpriced garage queens and dismiss you if you dont have the "proper" door lock in your door or some other ridiculous detail. most seven owners ive met or know are much more interested in driving and racing their cars than they are in entering them in concours and drinking "fine wine" and sniffing at how the poor people cant even seem to source the "correct" paint for the inside of their brake drums.

btw, whats the difference between a porsche and a porcupine?

the porcupine has all the pricks on the outside.

if i had a smiley i would put it here.

heres another thing: i wouldnt be so snippy about land rovers: ive lived in many parts of the world and in most of them you find land rovers. running land rovers. non-rusted land rovers. theres a lot to be said in favor of land rovers, possibly excepting what might pass for a land rover these days (much like what might pass for a land cruiser these days). they have stood the test of time and climate even more so than our beloved land cruisers and if you dont believe that, i invite you to go live in port moresby or madang or somewhere ive spent a few years and just look around at what is running and what is not.

one love
jah bill

 

[jb welda]

>just to piss off the green weeny hippies.

ps: i work for the EPA in california so youre talking to the enemy right now.

one love
jah bill

 

[REKCUT]

so in summary for a tlc i would stick to the stock carb. if you want performance and are willing to do some frustrating R&D you could probably get a weber to work fine if you want to put up with less than optimal adapters that introduce air leaks and linkage that binds and all that. personally im too old to screw with it anymore so i did a conversion to efi and it seems like end of problem. you and others might think that blasphemy and all i can say to that is cool, you do what you want and i do what i want

I dont think there is any more research involved with the weber than the stock carb. Both require a good mechanic that knows what he working with. I cant show up at jiffy lube for a weber or stock carb but I also dont have to search the world for some voodoo priest to make the weber work. I have run a weber for several years and never had a linkage problem or air leak. I am sure if I had gone with a tuned stock carb that I would also be happy but I trusted someone here who was comfortable with the weber.

 

[kulangot]

JB, NOW you are starting to make sense bro!

Like I said, I'd put webers on my VW but not on a Land Cruiser, the OEM Aisin is a superior carb (Land Cruiser tech content)

I don't agree about the Italian POS car thing, but we don't need to agree to get the discussion back on track.

Lastly, I never said I'd owned a Porsche, I said I put Webers on one. I would take a VW any day over a P car for the reason that you mentioned. I work on my wife's father's 356.

The last point you made about LR's - I've owned a few. THe one we had oversears in the Philippines was a Diesel 109 and it rocked. However, my D90 was the biggest POS that I ever owned, what a huge dissapointment.

Now go pour some used oil down the sewer and get back to work at the EPA - just kidding.

 

[Mace]

F'n region 9 bozos

 

[Mace]

BTW, the only reason Rovers are more prevalient in a country than Cruisers is because they did nto import many cruisers into said country..

Lucas was an idiot

 

[jb welda]

if by "lucas" you mean the "prince of darkness", in my somewhat considerable experience with british car electrics ive come to the conclusion that most "electrical problems" come from a worn out wiring harness. at least thats been what ive found...replace the harness and everything works.

im unsure what the "region 9" reference youre making refers to...

ps in new guinea there are plenty of land cruisers. most are rusting away by the side of the road. the road the land rovers drive on every day.

one love
jah bill

 

[Mace]

Yes I meant lucas, Every LR I have worked on has electrical issues, even the brand new ones. Heck, the wiring connections corrode in the desert!!!

EPA region 9
http://www.epa.gov/Region9/

So what exactly do you do for the EPA???


Yes LC bodies rust, LR frame rust worse, and you still have to deal with a drivetrain that makes LC stuff look like it is 1 ton
I love the way rovers look, and hate every mechanical piece of them