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It's a 3 link front and stock rear suspension I believe. There's a thread on this suspension coming to market on the vendor forum.

I'm not saying it doesn't crawl well because I have no basis to say one way or the other...but ramp pics are meaningless to the point of this thread. They simply show the amount of travel of the suspension links and shocks, not how it works on the trail.

There was a recent thread on Ben's from Slee's shop who had a ramp champ 80 that had some "issues" on the trail. Again, I'm being completely vendor agnostic here...just want to point out that what you see on the ramp is only useful for checking suspension motion and tire fitment.

This suspension has been in development for some time, so by the trail accounts here it seems to be getting near retail and will be something totally new for the 80 market. To that I give a hearty :cheers: because a production 3 link is not something you will see in many (if any) 4x4 markets, much less a low volume market like the 80.
 
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In the third picture the right front spring is unseated by about 12 inches. That boy needs a limiting strap to keep from losing his spring!
 
this is a mates 80 from australia, hes got a custem suspention set up with a X-link on the front

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awwwww and yer thats a 38.5 sitting under the sill
 
that big bright yellow thing sitting on the front diff is the X-link.

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it appears the stock arms are on top of the axle in the x-link pic?
 
that big bright yellow thing sitting on the front diff is the X-link.

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Looks like his spring is also unseated by 8 inches or so. What good does it do to have all that articulation with no weight what so ever on the wheel? Seems to me to be all show. Am I missing something here?

Seems the 80 needs a redesigned front spring that would allow more spring travel. The front springs on an 80 are very stiff due to the weight they have to carry and seem to limit these high travel front suspensions. Uber travel to point of loosing springs is pointless.
 
It's a 3 link front and stock rear suspension I believe. There's a thread on this suspension coming to market on the vendor forum.

rear is triangulated 4 link w/ no panard bar
 
Looks like his spring is also unseated by 8 inches or so. What good does it do to have all that articulation with no weight what so ever on the wheel? Seems to me to be all show. Am I missing something here?

What makes you think that just because the spring is unseated there is no force down on that tire? The spring isn't supporting any weight, but that doesn't mean the tire isn't being forced down.
 
The coils are retained at the bottom, neither are going to lose a coil. Excess droop doesn't hurt, and limiting straps are pointless except to keep a shock or a brake line from being stretched, or to keep the nose from going end-over on a climb. As long as that tire is on the ground it is doing a lot more than if it was just floating in the air. Flexy suspension is great, as long as it is stable. Once I go 3-link or possibly X-link, I will be putting my front sway bar back on as long as it doesn't limit me.

The only thing that concerns me with the X-link is the cross-link in the front being vulnerable. Also, do these use factory control arms, or do they require special arms?
 
Isn't the concern with unretained coils the condition of the chassis being more or less free to flop around?

It is more a case of unloading when climbing or going sideways.

There might be some force on the tire from the opposing side, but I bet you that the traction is not enough to even budge the truck. So in theory it might have force on it, but in practice I can not see how it helps.
 
What makes you think that just because the spring is unseated there is no force down on that tire? The spring isn't supporting any weight, but that doesn't mean the tire isn't being forced down.

OK, so the spring is unseated. We now have the weight of half the axle and suspension and one tire/rim and if it is a charged shock, 10 lbs of pressure from that. Thats not enough to help a 6000 lb turck move. The unloading on climb and side hills could be scary.
 
The only thing that concerns me with the X-link is the cross-link in the front being vulnerable. Also, do these use factory control arms, or do they require special arms?

Sent a request for info to Dobbin Engineering - I'll fill ya' in when / if I get some info.
 
OK, so the spring is unseated. We now have the weight of half the axle and suspension and one tire/rim and if it is a charged shock, 10 lbs of pressure from that. Thats not enough to help a 6000 lb turck move. The unloading on climb and side hills could be scary.

well there is also a moment caused by the axle twisting around the bumpstop. Not saying how much it is, cause the lever arm on the unweighted side is long compared to the bumpstop to tire lever, but it's there, and when you're multiplying by 3 or 4,000 lbs (whatever force is on the weighted tire), it might make a difference. Either way it's probably more than what the shock and axle weight are adding together.

The flip side is, with the spring not seated, it's not pushing the body over anymore either. If the front spring was long enough that it was still seated, and still compressed (cause it could just barely be seated and not adding any real force), Great, it's supporting some weight of the body/frame, but it is also pushing back on the body / frame and making the body tip over even more, which since it certainly looks as though the suspension is on the bumpstop, means you're unloading the rear tire.

Good bad or indiferent if you pick up a Rover magazine they have centering cone available to let the springs unseat. So it's not uncommon...

It's all a matter of balance. Ramp and forced flex photos are really neat. They don't say much about balance. Proof is in the pudd'n pudd'n, the 3 link at the begining is claimed by observers to work well. The X-link, we'll have to hope for some word from those with experience down under. Though looking at the pictures, the body does seem to stay nice and level.
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oh, no, Heath...please....noooooo......
 
oh, no, Heath...please....noooooo......

awww... come on concrete - I ain't start'n nutt'n - don't think there is anyone that's gonna disagree with the last paragraph at least....
 
The coils are retained at the bottom, neither are going to lose a coil. Excess droop doesn't hurt, and limiting straps are pointless except to keep a shock or a brake line from being stretched, or to keep the nose from going end-over on a climb.

Limiting straps are widely used to keep the entire front end from dropping out (unloading) without restricting the flex on the corners. This would be a good mod for 80's for steep climbs as you don't ever need the entire front to drop out about more than 4" - if you've 3 linked with a 12" travel shock and now have 8" of down travel this is a day one mod, because suspensions that have been engineered for extra down travel really need this mod as the shocks won't limit a severe unloading of the front end.

Excess droop can hurt. Dropping one front tire too much can make it difficult to climb back out of a hole. Not a huge issue with a long arm suspension like we have, but I have seen rigs literally unable to move forward because excess front end droop was forcing the suspension to work against itself (forcing down and back) rather than climbing, and over relatively minor obstacles. That's one thing I love about the 80 - the front end always wants to climb without much protest...you just need that front locker to compensate for the lack of flex.

BTW, don't 3 link if you are going to reattach your swaybar. You'd be better off with the stock radius arms and a center limiting strap and no front swaybar.

Heath, it was my understanding the (properly designed) triangulated four link wouldn't fit on the 80 for clearance reasons, which is why it's not coming to market. I'd be extremely wary of that mod. In the Jeep SUV world (XJ/ZJ/WJ), you couldn't set proper roll axis without bringing the upper links into the cargo area, which makes these rigs very prone to flopping when you try to mount them to the "frame" rails.

I've watched the whole "extreme flex" game for years and never seen anybody get much out of it on a dual purpose vehicle (unless you count rolls in a positive way) compared to simply beefing up the axles, going nuts on low gearing, and having both ends locked with the absolute biggest tires you can run.

There is a natural progression to these markets, and it goes just like this:

1) OME is greatest thing since sliced bread and you can never do better;
2) OME is not enough lift and isn't designed to maximize tire size;
3) "Look at how flexy that [enter any solid axle 4x4 model here] rig is!" (dawn of the age of flex pictures accompanied by great excitement)
4) "A rear locker is enough"
5) "ARB front and rear or can I do an automatic front locker?"
5) "4.56 gears or 4.88 gears?"
6) "Will a 5.29 R&P break?"
7) "I need a much lower low range"
8) Upgraded axle components and/or entire assemblies & bent housings
9) Can I fit 38" tires on a 3" lift?
10) "Look at how he fit 38" tires on a 3" lift with a near stock suspension!" (dawn of the age of big tire pictures and sawzalls and full replacement axles)
11) Top chopping and exo-tubing and trailer queening
12) "Man I miss the days of simple ole OME"
13) Vehicle sale or scrapping

It will always come back to fitting the largest tires you can fit without really screwing up anything else unless you are building a buggy from the ground up. To that you add the lowest possible gears, greatest possible drivetrain strength and durability, and when you are done #12 will dawn on you as a fundamental truth and #13 will not be far behind.

Note the 80's for sale recently. How many were around a nicely built 4" lift with 35" tires vs. the rigs on 37"+ tires that were pushing the limits? There are far more of us on 4"/35's yet more of the "extreme" crowd is selling.

A simple rule of thumb for all "SUV" builds: if you really have to redesign the suspension you are modifying the wrong vehicle and you should sell it while it is still worth something and build what you really need from the ground up.
 

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