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V35A-FTS bearing issue?
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The only info provided is that the recall covers 102k vehicles and in the USA there have been 824 failures. Since both are USA numbers - I think it represents a pretty good approximation of the issue for at least the USA production vehicles.
What I do find interesting and probably a bit positive and a bit negative is that Toyota started tearing down good engines from the field and found that those had bearing problems but not yet failed and that provided some useful information on what the contamination was or confirmation of the contamination and cause. And that Toyota retains "swatches" of engine contaminants during manufacture so they can go back and test manufacturing periods to identify when it was a problem.
The positive is that Toyota does have a lot of information and is doing what seems like a pretty reasonable root cause analysis investigation. And they've probably identified the cause. The next question is what to do about it.
The negative is that they found damaged but not yet failed bearings in engines pulled from vehicles in the field. That means there may be a lot more than 824 that are damaged. Could be 10x that number. Could be all of them. Could be only a few more. But it tends in my view to point to the need to replace potentially a lot more than 824 and it also tells me that I don't want to own one. And seems to at least confirm at some level that my instinct not to buy one based on the fit and finish quality being sub-par after test driving in 2022 on the logic that if it's that bad on the outside it's probably also not so great inside. I wouldn't want a dealer mechanic short block swap either. It would need a big price cut for me to consider buying one of those years. In reality it's probably a hard pass unless it was almost free. The cab never goes on the same way. The engine never goes back exactly the same. I've been down that road a few times. It's just not worth the hassle of owning one to me unless it's very cheap. Or if Toyota let me choose the shop to do the swap, then I'd be okay with it.
I would own one produced after the fix if they have a few years of reliable service. I wouldn't write off the engine totally. The 2GR FSE had bad valve springs. The 3UR had camshafts and air injection failures. Toyota eventually figures it out.
The US Tundra failure rate is at least 0.8%. That is known from their recall notice. It can only go higher as more engines fail. The long-term failure rate is still an unknown. The failure rate of non-Tundra engines is not material to the Tundra discussion.
I have stated previously and maintain that the catastrophic failure rate should be no higher than 0.01% ( 1/10,000), not the ~1/100 we have now. I going to presume that the low-mileage, random, catastrophic failure rate for all versions of the UZ is something like 0.001% or even lower. The UZ is the benchmark for Toyota reliability and the early Tundra production VA35 is pretty obviously falling far short of that.
I have stated previously and maintain that the catastrophic failure rate should be no higher than 0.01% ( 1/10,000), not the ~1/100 we have now. I going to presume that the low-mileage, random, catastrophic failure rate for all versions of the UZ is something like 0.001% or even lower. The UZ is the benchmark for Toyota reliability and the early Tundra production VA35 is pretty obviously falling far short of that.
So I wonder how many of these articles are referencing the exact same story.....
Exactly. Probably two dealerships didn’t want to get involved with ‘22-‘23 Tundras and refused to do a trade in. And one or two people took social media — then BLAMMO! Headlines around the world all referencing two Reddit posts (or each other) Ha!
(most likely).
If there’s one thing we know, it’s that the internet is primarily an echo chamber.
I thought it was an ISP but just looked it up and it’s more like the great grandfather of Reddit?
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Yup.I thought it was an ISP but just looked it up and it’s more like the great grandfather of Reddit?
I was in grad school for the second time from ‘87 to ‘91 so that’s when I got my first email address and learned about ARPANET. This was before HTML and before the first browser. So Usenet was all text based.
I was into local BBS’s in the latter 80s but first internet experience was with a few allotted hours via a Compuserve account and telnetted into an IRC channel chatting with some college students in Sweden around 1991. Then onto SLIP, PPP, ISDN, IDLSL, etc…a technologically primitive wild west compared to today..
Here is the official Toyota Defect Information Report published May 30… in case someone was wondering
Interesting update today to the recall press release:
pressroom.toyota.com
"For all involved vehicles, Toyota and Lexus dealers will replace the engine with a new one at no cost to customers."
Toyota Recalls Certain Model Year 2022-2023 Toyota Tundra and Lexus LX Vehicles - Toyota USA Newsroom
PLANO, Texas (May 30, 2024)—Toyota is conducting a safety recall involving certain model year 2022-2023 Toyota Tundra and Lexus LX (conventional gas model only) vehicles in North America. Approximately, 102,000 Toyota and Lexus branded vehicles are involved in this recall […]
"For all involved vehicles, Toyota and Lexus dealers will replace the engine with a new one at no cost to customers."
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Did you click the link that he provided?
It's buried on their website and they seem to have only updated the PDF that was originally linked and not provided a new article or press release.
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This will be pocket change for Toyota.
$3.1B at $30k/engine. It's not business-ending for sure but will come right out of profits. If their gross revenue is $300B per year, and profit is 10% or $30B (presumed, not verified) it's a 10% reduction. Probably worth it for brand reputation, but we'd get a lot of nasty grams in my line of work with a profit reduction like that.
