UZJ100 to UZJ105: SAS build

[saucebox]

Go for it man, it'll never make sense on a spreadsheet.

Glad you got the death wobble sorted, @UZJ105. Hopefully the PTSD from grinding will go away (let me know how, if it does )

 

[John Young]

Yeah that sounds about right ... I have a shop that says they can do it for about 25K ...

You know EA... If you don't mind using Google translate, I do see 105s in Europe, both Eastern and Western for less than that. I know the point of this thread is conversion which I applaud and find fascinating, particularly after having owned a right hand drive to left hand drive 80. I just thought I'd mention.

 

[UZJ105]

Yeah that sounds about right ... I have a shop that says they can do it for about 25K and I supply the axle and they fab the rest and do the labor. I am nervous about spending that kind of money and then getting the death wobble ... the reason I got rid of my Jeep. It's funny when people say to me out on the trail "Dude you should SAS that thing" like it's not a big deal. Nobody appreciates how much work and custom fabrication goes into this ... and people think it's like a 5K idea. Laughable isn't it? But one thing is for sure, and that is that it is easier and a little cheaper to SAS a 100 than a 200. At least that is what I am going to tell myself.

I can see how people arrive at $5k in their head. Once you open the SAS can of worms, you start adding upgrades, such as suspension upgrades, part time 4wd kit, wheels, tires, gearing, etc. It adds up quickly. $25k for a quality shop sounds about right.

I had a death wobble initially, but it turns out we overcorrected castor angle. Once I removed the castor plates, the death wobble went away. I wouldn't let that be a deterrent.

 

[UZJ105]

You know EA... If you don't mind using Google translate, I do see 105s in Europe, both Eastern and Western for less than that. I know the point of this thread is conversion which I applied and find fascinating, particularly after having owned a right hand drive to left hand drive 80. I just thought I'd mention.

I went through that exercise prior to pulling the trigger on my build. The problem with importing a 105 right now is, all the early model 105s are 1FZ, so you might as well just buy an 80 at that point. Unless one just wants the 100 body with a solid axle for the novelty. The appeal of a 105 for me would be a diesel. Not to mention, a 105 is more scarce than a 100, so you'll pay a premium + import costs.

 

[John Young]

I went through that exercise prior to pulling the trigger on my build. The problem with importing a 105 right now is, all the early model 105s are 1FZ, so you might as well just buy an 80 at that point. Unless one just wants the 100 body with a solid axle for the novelty. The appeal of a 105 for me would be a diesel. Not to mention, a 105 is more scarce than a 100, so you'll pay a premium for a 105.

I take both points. However.... All of the 105's I've personally seed have manual transmissions, which I find nice, and my 105 with the 1HZ is not going to blow anyone's socks off. Yarsis's (Yari?) easily out accelerate me away from a light. A good shop here in Dubai offered to put a well engineers AUS turbo on it bit I said no, wanting to keep it very stock for reliability. But that is not to say that it is a bad idea, so one could swap in a 1HD and a turbo kit.

Again I want to emphasize that I applaud what your are doing and sharing here. My only point that at 25K other options might be practical options. And I suspect many on Mud don't think of a foreign search and acquisition as a real option.

 

[eknomf]

Impressive build, and one of a kind.

Just wanted to chime in on the 105s as I have gone deep down the rabbit hole on them…

Hzj105 started in 1998. Lots in Australia. Harder to find in Europe or other LHD locations though.

For example:

1998 Toyota Landcruiser (4x4) 5 Sp Manual 4x4 4d Wagon | Cars, Vans & Utes | Gumtree Australia Burnside Area - Glenunga | 1309505807

1998 Landcruiser Standard 4WD details Seller Private owner Engine 6 cylinder, 42L Engine, 6 cylinder, 42L HZJ 105R ..., 1309505807

www.gumtree.com.au

 

[Escape Artist]

I think a lot of us here in the US think that the 105's had the same 4.7 V8 ... but sadly not the case. Even the diesel 1FZ is not turbocharged leaving you with a 131 horsepower. Same engine choices as the 80 I think no? The 1HD-FTE only comes in the 100 series which was a big mistake by Toyota IMO. I mean you are talking 115 HP or so at the wheels. I know that torque is the driving force ... and HP and torque are ALWAYS exactly the same at 5252 RPM in any engine gas or diesel ... but still, it is an underperforming engine at 210 ft-lbs of torque vs the 4.7 VVTI at 315 ft-lbs. Some add a turbo to the 1FZ in the Prado's but takes a bit of tinkering.

 

[UZJ105]

I think a lot of us here in the US think that the 105's had the same 4.7 V8 ... but sadly not the case. Even the diesel 1FZ is not turbocharged leaving you with a 131 horsepower. Same engine choices as the 80 I think no? The 1HD-FTE only comes in the 100 series which was a big mistake by Toyota IMO. I mean you are talking 115 HP or so at the wheels. I know that torque is the driving force ... and HP and torque are ALWAYS exactly the same at 5252 RPM in any engine gas or diesel ... but still, it is an underperforming engine at 210 ft-lbs of torque vs the 4.7 VVTI at 315 ft-lbs. Some add a turbo to the 1FZ in the Prado's but takes a bit of tinkering.

In a perfect world for me, it would be a LHD 105 + Cummins 4BT swap.

 

[UZJ105]

Impressive build, and one of a kind.

Just wanted to chime in on the 105s as I have gone deep down the rabbit hole on them…

Hzj105 started in 1998. Lots in Australia. Harder to find in Europe or other LHD locations though.

For example:

1998 Toyota Landcruiser (4x4) 5 Sp Manual 4x4 4d Wagon | Cars, Vans & Utes | Gumtree Australia Burnside Area - Glenunga | 1309505807

1998 Landcruiser Standard 4WD details Seller Private owner Engine 6 cylinder, 42L Engine, 6 cylinder, 42L HZJ 105R ..., 1309505807

www.gumtree.com.au

Interesting. I'm out here spreading misinformation. So for $25k + $5k'ish import, you get a clean decent factory 105 for $30k. Not terrible, but that is pricey.

That's solid import candidate you found there. That would be a fun truck to own and keep it just the way it is.

 

[GLTHFJ60]

In a perfect world for me, it would be a LHD 105 + Cummins 4BT swap.

I have another motor. We can make that happen.

 

[AJR]

I have another motor. We can make that happen.

Bring it all over, we should be able to finish it in a couple weekends as long we don’t have as much alcohol and kids dirt bikes.