Awesome. Great to hear. I'd like to get them installed and broke in sometime this fall but am not in too big a rush.
Un-lifted wheels and tires pics!
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@rav8 I have also been very happy with them, though did not notice them being too firm on the front end
Great! Thanks for the feedback. My only experience with them was part of a Toytec lift kit, so I never drove them with stock springs or experienced how well they complimented them.
Do you have a tow hitch and do they fit in the spare?
Update 2k miles after install. 5100's feel great!
I never felt that they were too firm but I assembled them to stock height. Don't know if that matters. I will say it only got nicer with some miles.
Very satisfied. Thanks for the feedback!
I've been looking for options for my '22 Lux trim since replacements for the 19's aren't cheap for now. I had a parts rep mention the 18" F-Sport wheels (PTR56-60120) wouldn't fit my '22 Lux and it's not listed on their sites as compatible. I haven't seen anything in other threads about it. Is there something to this (brakes, suspension, etc. clearance)? I was also looking at the 17" 4Runner TRD Pro wheels, but was worried that whatever issue existed with the 18's would mean a set of 17's wouldn't fit either on a Lux trim. Anyone familiar if there's a clearance problem or perhaps this is just not documented well?
It seems unlikely that they changed anything significant in the brakes or suspension that late into the model run. It's more likely that the various tables have not been updated to include '22.
I've been looking for options for my '22 Lux trim since replacements for the 19's aren't cheap for now. I had a parts rep mention the 18" F-Sport wheels (PTR56-60120) wouldn't fit my '22 Lux and it's not listed on their sites as compatible. I haven't seen anything in other threads about it. Is there something to this (brakes, suspension, etc. clearance)? I was also looking at the 17" 4Runner TRD Pro wheels, but was worried that whatever issue existed with the 18's would mean a set of 17's wouldn't fit either on a Lux trim. Anyone familiar if there's a clearance problem or perhaps this is just not documented well?
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That is really strange that they have up to the 2023 Premium and Base but not the Luxury. I would contact a Lexus service dept. and see what they say. Did a quick search on 2021+ 4Runner TRD Pro wheels GX460 2022 and not much for hits except for a couple of Reddit posts asking the same, and a few replies that they do. That would not be good enough for me and no pictures of them actually fitting. Although did find a few pics of 2020+ with them but no 22's. And the 2020 didn't specify trim level.
During the Black Friday sale when a couple of Toyota dealers had +25% off on sales I ordered 5 TRD Pro wheels, 4 caps and 4 black lug nut sets for my 19 Lux. Which according to the chart they fit and they do. With Wildpeak 265/70r17 tires
TRD Pro black wheels PTR56-89210-F2
TRD Pro Center cap, post SEMA red ring PT280-89210-F2
Lug nuts black PT076-60200-02
Stock suspension. Sliders will land in a couple of weeks and next Thursday doing a moderate bumper trim and AC Condenser skid. Also 20+ Blackline solid black grill swap, along with Attica headlights.
Good luck hope you get a definitive answer!
Do you any buddy's with a newer Toyota with the 17" wheels and the same lug pattern?
As a favor, ask them if they wouldn't mind spending a half hour jacking up the rigs and swapping out a wheel or two and see how they fit.
As a favor, ask them if they wouldn't mind spending a half hour jacking up the rigs and swapping out a wheel or two and see how they fit.
I have a '22 premium plus and it fits 17s just fine. They didn't change anything - plenty of guys on FB GXOR with '22s and '23s running the same setups that everyone's been running for years. If your lux has the sport design trim that may rub a bit there, but I highly highly doubt that there's any difference mechanically.
Unfortunately not. I will try calling a few other dealer parts departments this weekend though and see if they can give more details than the previous parts rep I spoke to. Since looking into it a bit more, I wonder if AVS is part of the reason why, but I will post an update if I can confirm this.
You should also be able to go to a wheel and tire shop and they should be able to mount just a rim on any one of your corners (preferably the one of the fronts) for fitment purposes. You should also be able to see how the offset sits on your vehicle, sticks out too far or recessed too much.
Doesn't cost them anything other than a wee bit of a tech's time.
Looking at that matrix that was my first thought as well. Starting in 2020 only the Luxury has Adaptive Variable Suspension and auto-leveling rear air suspension. That is a huge change and difference. Especially being in the suspension department that would make me wonder as well. And then there are the several computer control modules behind the scene that manage it all.
To test them you would have to do a full run in sport, normal, and comfort modes. And then throw in the permutations for the rear air suspension. On top of that test in different environmental conditions. It would be a bit of a pause for concern on my part as well if I were in your shoes.
Could be Lexus never got around to verify it due to all the permutations but doubt it as they have done it in previous years with different trim lines. I wouldn't expect that matrix to be like many software companies that haven't gotten around to compatibility testing and when you ask them they say go ahead and try it and let us know how it works out
GX470s all had adjustable dampening and rear auto-leveling air suspension. Luxury models of the 460 have always had it as well. It's nothing new and not a complicated system. Dampening modes (comfort - sport) do not raise or lower the vehicle. The rear suspension can be raised or lowered, but it reverts to normal when you go over like 10 or 20 MPH. The only positive I found from it my 470 was the rear not sagging when I had significant weight in the rear. Most people just ditch it when they lift. It does not affect fitment of aftermarket wheels or tires.Looking at that matrix that was my first thought as well. Starting in 2020 only the Luxury has Adaptive Variable Suspension and auto-leveling rear air suspension. That is a huge change and difference. Especially being in the suspension department that would make me wonder as well. And then there are the several computer control modules behind the scene that manage it all.
To test them you would have to do a full run in sport, normal, and comfort modes. And then throw in the permutations for the rear air suspension. On top of that test in different environmental conditions. It would be a bit of a pause for concern on my part as well if I were in your shoes.
Could be Lexus never got around to verify it due to all the permutations but doubt it as they have done it in previous years with different trim lines. I wouldn't expect that matrix to be like many software companies that haven't gotten around to compatibility testing and when you ask them they say go ahead and try it and let us know how it works out
Actually the adjustable dampening system is very complex you can read what it does from OBD Fusion and plot all that it does like some have. And there are multiple ASICs involved in the operation of them. In the 70's Engineering Science classes the whole system would have been considered science fiction. I find the system works great as is and have no intentions of changing them, and I have modified a lot of 4x4 rigs over the years. All I've owned since 79 with the exception of the Ex's vehicles.
My 19 Lux has both adjustable dampening system and auto level air. But it is on the matrix chart that is above. 2020 and newer Luxury is not and they are now the only ones that have both adjustable dampening and rear auto-leveling air suspension. What else changed? It would be an assumption until you know for sure.
I am a systems guy though. Did spend 20 years in the Navy as a nuclear machinist mate, retired from that 29 years ago this month. One rule I learned back in the very beginning with systems was never assume anything with the exception that I don't know what I don't know. Never melted the reactor and planet down so I'm going with it is a good rule
With the 2020 and above Lux not being on the matrix and the only one since then to have adjustable dampening and rear auto-leveling air there very well could be other changes. Or the possibility exists that they never tested it and everything else is the same as my 19 Lux. Their testing would be a lot more thorough than just throwing them on to see if they fit. Maybe they did. Maybe they didn't. I would want to know for sure, not a maybe.
They added steering adjustment and throttle response to the adjustable dampening knob and called it AVS. As far as I can tell from descriptions online and youtubers, that is all that changed. I meant not complicated from a user standpoint. Manual input changes dampening (comfort to sport) and separately, height. Additionally, rear sensors automatically fill the airbags when the rear end sags until the sensors register "normal" height. My point is adjustable dampening with auto-leveling air bags are nothing new and have never affected wheel and tire fitament. Knowing how quickly Toyota moves on technology, I would be surprised if anything else changed.Actually the adjustable dampening system is very complex you can read what it does from OBD Fusion and plot all that it does like some have. And there are multiple ASICs involved in the operation of them. In the 70's Engineering Science classes the whole system would have been considered science fiction. I find the system works great as is and have no intentions of changing them, and I have modified a lot of 4x4 rigs over the years. All I've owned since 79 with the exception of the Ex's vehicles.
My 19 Lux has both adjustable dampening system and auto level air. But it is on the matrix chart that is above. 2020 and newer Luxury is not and they are now the only ones that have both adjustable dampening and rear auto-leveling air suspension. What else changed? It would be an assumption until you know for sure.
I am a systems guy though. Did spend 20 years in the Navy as a nuclear machinist mate, retired from that 29 years ago this month. One rule I learned back in the very beginning with systems was never assume anything with the exception that I don't know what I don't know. Never melted the reactor and planet down so I'm going with it is a good rule
With the 2020 and above Lux not being on the matrix and the only one since then to have adjustable dampening and rear auto-leveling air there very well could be other changes. Or the possibility exists that they never tested it and everything else is the same as my 19 Lux. Their testing would be a lot more thorough than just throwing them on to see if they fit. Maybe they did. Maybe they didn't. I would want to know for sure, not a maybe.
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Its really unlikely that they changed anything that affects wheel and tire fitment. The hubs and brakes won't have changed. Nor would the front A arms and bump stop, or the rear bump stop. They probably did not even change the springs. If they did that would change only the static ride height, not the wheel travel limits. The complexity of the shocks and the systems controlling them won't affect wheel travel limits or wheel fitment.
Also, damping motion is what shocks do. They might also dampen the undercarriage if they're leaking badly, but they're not supposed to do that.
Also, damping motion is what shocks do. They might also dampen the undercarriage if they're leaking badly, but they're not supposed to do that.
I am going to get another set of wheels/tires for winter driving for my 2023 GX Sport Premium. Mine cane with the 19" wheels and the tire selection sucks lol.
The current plan is to go with the 17" TRD pro wheels and a set of Falken Wildpeak A/T4W tires. My understanding is that going any larger than the stock 265/65/17 size will result in rubbing. I do not want to do any modifications so if that is the case, I am fine with the 265/65/17 size.
Can someone verify that this is right? Thanks.
The current plan is to go with the 17" TRD pro wheels and a set of Falken Wildpeak A/T4W tires. My understanding is that going any larger than the stock 265/65/17 size will result in rubbing. I do not want to do any modifications so if that is the case, I am fine with the 265/65/17 size.
Can someone verify that this is right? Thanks.
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Rubbing is caused by wheel offset more than the tire. Pretty well covered on here. Should be able to run a 265/70R17 on stock offset. Not all trd wheels have the same offset so buyer beware.
I run 285/70R17s and after an alignment they almost never run. Again on factory offset with 17" OEM Steelies. Also ran 33x10.5s with similar results.
Edit - forgot to add I pushed wheel liners back and removed the bolt and replaced with ziptie.
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Generally pretty much the case is my understanding as well.
Wildpeak A/T3W 265/70r17 on black TRD Pro wheels post 21 4Runner (PTR56-89210-F2) have just a little bit of rub on inside bolt head at full lock. Not much of a mod to replace with a flathead bolt to prevent it. I used the ziptie mod until my sliders come in and will cut the offender off completely.
Depends if you need that extra bit of ground clearance, I need all I can get and then some but I'm not willing to modify the suspension on my Lux. Gas mileage does not seem to be adversely effected I'm getting 19-20 mpg on two lane roads at 62 mph with cruise on. Better then my second gen Taco did.
I sold my stock rims and tires, thought about keeping them for dedicated winter tires. But storage and hassle of swapping out another set once again I decided against it. So my Wildpeaks are my 4 season tire. If I was going through the hassle and expense of a dedicated winter tire I would get just that, a dedicated winter tire not the Wildpeaks. But so far extremely pleased with the Wildpeaks in the winter on snow and ice. I know the AT3W are discontinued but believe the AT3WA is still available and they may be worth a look. Lighter and softer compound so may be the best of both worlds, some Mercedes Benz OEM SUV's come with them. Wasn't aware of them before I purchased the AT3W but like I said no regrets with the AT3W.