Troopy rust and other issues

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I am making this post to share my experiences and hope that I can help other people avoid the same pitfalls. But first a little history to put this in context.

Over the last ten years I have driven over a quarter of a million miles exploring the USA, Canada, Mexico and Australia. I started with this Northstar camper on a Chevy Silverado. However the rig was just not up to the job. I suspected that the transfer case had a problem before the warranty expired but Chevrolet refused to honour the warranty, possibly because they had already paid out for several broken parts and several hundred dollars to have me towed out of the wilderness when the motor stalled and wouldn't restart. The truck chassis bent causing the drive shaft to rub on the chassis and almost cut through and the front bumper brackets disintegrated causing the bumper to fall off. When the third transfer case failed it was time to bail out.
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The camper was no better, built with inadequate wiring which could have had the entire rig on fire. The pop up roof failed under warranty but I had to pay for the repair which only lasted a matter of weeks. Finally the base of the camper started pulling away from the sides. After just five years from new, I walked away with just $4000 in my pocket for the entire rig.

Now I could have accepted that I was expecting too much had I not owned this Troopy in Australia. The truck was 17 years old when I bought it and five years later it sold for a good proportion of what I had paid for it within an hour of advertising it. Yes, it did require some repairs along the way but it survived far worse roads than any I have so far encountered in North America.
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So the logical way forward was to find a Troopy in USA. After much searching and considering the import of my own vehicle from Europe, In August 2013 I found what appeared to be a suitable vehicle, a 1988 BJ75 already brought in by a JDM LandCruiser importer from Spain. It was said to be a clean but well used stock vehicle with frame, wheel wells and underbody clean and rust free although with some previous body and paintwork.
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After registering the truck in New Mexico I drove to a recommended Toyota 4wd Specialist to make the vehicle expedition ready. Amongst the upgrades were a bull bar and winch, tire carrier for the rear door, snorkel, replacement for the original 25 year old radiator and turbo for the 3BII diesel motor.

My first trip was to Copper Canyon, Mexico. With hindsight I don't know how the vehicle survived as only hours back in the USA, there was a loud bang and a cloud of smoke and the engine temperature shot up. I stopped straight away and after clouds of steam had cleared from the engine bay I spotted a massive split in one of the cooling hoses. My request to replace the hoses when the radiator was replaced had been ignored but it has also been suggested that the 'new' radiator was minimal at best, small core, and should have been a four core unit.

The radiator had been swollen considerably in the centre both up and out from the build up of pressure and there was concern that the major pressure build might have cracked the head.

Further investigation revealed what 'seemed' to be a bad crack in #3 prechamber and out to the side of the head but with a normal test it showed no leak. There is also heat scorching of the head and the head is 7 thou from true which I am told is a lot! The pistons have minor damage.

Had I been planning on using the truck for weekend wheeling adventures with friends I would have kept the motor but I took the view that as I plan to travel alone to remote areas in Central and South America, I would get a newer engine. It had also been suggested that the turbo I had installed was too small for my application, great for the bush but suck on the highway.

I now have a 1HZ rebuilt using all factory parts mated to a new H55F transmission and a mapped turbo with 1800 - 3000 rpm performance specs.

Whilst I was waiting for a temporary fix to the cooling system I decided to rotate the wheels and noticed that the new tire carrier had actually cracked the rear door and I found that only thin strips of metal had been used to strengthen the door. The cracking is more apparent now I have removed the tire carrier and the rust has started to show through.
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Subsequently I sourced a door with factory strengthening and whilst I managed to secure a refund of the labour charged by the Toyota 4wd Specialist, I was left to get the door painted and the glass and hardware switched over.


The issues with the radiator, turbo and tire carrier suggested that I should look at the other work done by the Toyota 4wd Specialist. I had been charged US$347 to switch the stock bumper for a new ARB bull bar on the basis that the 25 year old chassis might have twisted and a lot of banging and heating may have been required to fit the bull bar. I can now see that unlike a 40 series, the chassis only protrudes around four inches beyond the front cross member so it is very unlikely to have shifted.
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During the Mexico trip a gust of wind caught the driver's door, putting extra stress on the frame and cracking a bondo repair in the A-pillar. Further investigation following the removal of the dash and fender revealed extensive rust covered with bondo from the bottom of the windscreen down to and including holes in the floor.
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By this time bubbles and cracking revealing lines of rust had started to appear along the roof and gutter line.
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In order to see the full extent of the damage I had parts of the body blasted. Unfortunately this revealed large holes around the roof line which had been filled with bondo and a lack of structural integrity throughout the roof, windscreen surround and both A-pillars.
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I imagine the body would have crumpled should it have overturned. So much for a rust free frame but with the importer not prepared to accept any responsibility I am left to pick up the pieces.

This vehicle has rusted from the top down and the firewall, rear floor and chassis are actually in good shape. For my application I much prefer the Troopy format but someone may wish to convert into an El Camino type truck or replace the body with a pick up cab and bed. I have therefore sprayed the bare metal with a red oxide primer before storing the body panels and other parts inside the truck and covering it with a tarp. The vehicle still has a current New Mexico registration. The original 3BII is also available for sale (I have already sold the transmission), as may be the turbo 1HZ-H55 drive train.
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It has been a very steep and expensive learning curve which I hope will help me find the right vehicle next time. Furthermore, if I am able to help other people avoid these pitfalls then I am happy to help with more pictures and answers to any questions you may have.
 
David,
If you would have had rolled the vehicle, even just onto its side, the damage would have been extensive. since the seat belts are mounted to the B pillar which uses the gutter and roof panel to reinforce its upper strength, i suspect you could have been seriously injured.
I also suspect that the small turbo working too hard to move that heavy beast down the highway or through the sand with no Intercooler generated excessive heat that the 3 core rad had no chance to cope with caused your swelling of the rad upper tank and eventually blowing the lower rad hose. The Cruiser shop in Cali should have taken this into consideration when "upgrading" your ride for Mexian roads and heat.
There is a renewed interest in Cruisers in the States and many shops are jumping on the band wagon to score some easy cash.
Here in Canada when the RHD imported Cruisers took off there were in excess of 56 importers that sprung up in less than 2 years. Everyone claimed to import high end products but in reality there are very few really clean Cruiser to import at the time. \
I also suspect there are going to be nomerous Cruiser importers jumping on the wagon as well in the states. Selling veneer trucks to unsuspecting buyers. These trucks are coming in from Japan, South America, Spain, Australia etc. I have seen in person the quality of some of these importers and i STRONGLY suggest if you are shopping for a cruiser to take into consideration how few 25 year old trucks are actually worth buying.
Go to my website www.luxuryimports.ca and read my words of caution. I no longer import but the words there are worth the time to read.

I can't believe the company you bought this rust bucket from is willing to just walk away on such a POS sale. I guess morals and reputation means little to a junk dealer.

best of luck in your future purchase. at least now anyone shopping for a Troopy will know where to look for rust and who to stay away from.
 
just a quick update.
so after investing close to $40K into this truck, between the purchase from JDMlandcruisers.com and the shody work from Safari, David has now walked on that truck.
He ended up hitting 8 European countries in 2 weeks looking at well over a dozen troopies. Due to this experience David now shopped with educated eyes and, sadly, the second most expensive unit was the only one worth purchasing.
Once you take into consideration it has the 8000 euro pop top already installed, 10,000 euro worth of cabinets, a TRUE 60,000 km 2002 troopy with NO rust anywhere, factory diff locks and many other really useful (and cool) features it was also the best bang for the buck.
He had AC and a mapped turbo installed and transfered a few items over from the old truck and is now on his way to Mexico for the winter.
His report back on the first tank is 12.4l/100 (18.9 mpg US) which isn't bad for a 3340 kg truck (7363.44) travelling at highway speeds.

this should also be a heads up for anyone considering buying from JDM Land Cruisers | Diesel Toyota Land Cruisers . make sure you take a magnet ... and take off the rose colored glasses ... before you purchase.
 
with a troopy the biggest rust issues are the A pillars and the gutter ... from the inside out. by the time you see the rust bubbles it is way too late.

Dan, David is on his way to see you. check out his truck and take it for a drive. shoot me an email on how you feel about the performance of my mapped turbo.
 
with a troopy the biggest rust issues are the A pillars and the gutter ... from the inside out. by the time you see the rust bubbles it is way too late.

Dan, David is on his way to see you. check out his truck and take it for a drive. shoot me an email on how you feel about the performance of my mapped turbo.

What's the deal on the A pillar? Where does the water penetrate into the pillar from? What's the best way to correct this flaw?
 
Someone could know better than me but it seems moisture collects at the hinges and where the joint is between the lower and upper A pillar meet.
Also the lower windshield rail is prone to rust under the rubber gasket
 
The problem with the A pillar is the slope/angle of the windscreen and the weatherstripping. Water gets in behind the weatherstripping at the base of the windscreen (b/c of the poor, flat-ish angle allowing water to rest) and rots everything from there, including and not limited to the front floors.
 
Gee its got a bit of rust, but it can be fixed. With the roof, the best way is to get a new turret, about $1400 and new gutters. Once its all removed all the rust under the gutters can be fixed. A new header bar above the windscreen will make it easy as well. I make the gutters out of 1.2mm stainlesssteel and weld the new roof to that . With the gutters that run down the front pillars I make them out of 2mm alloy and rivet & silicone them on, you will always have problems with rust there. You can get new gutters from Toyota but with the stainless no more rust. Don't repair the windscreen opening with stainless because it is a high stress area and it keeps cracking, I have tried. I have looked after 11 HZJ75s for 10 years that work on the beach.
 
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that. It's bad but I've certainly seen much worse rust on domestic cars get fixed. It's only metal. And time :)

It's only metal. And time ........... And $$$. :)
 
Anyone try one of these before?
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Yes, I have one that I have used in my classic and collectible car business for verifying paint condition. They are not as accurate as the more expensive models, but can definitely sense any major pockets of bondo.

Sad to hear about the OP's experience. The trucks are 25+ years old but there are definitely ways to avoid this problem. Remember that not all importers are equal and not all 25+ year old trucks are junk. There are good ones out there, just getting harder and harder to find.
 
It's only metal. And time ........... And $$$. :)
A little rust in the usual places, easily repaired ....the favorite saying of the Senior Statesman fro Georgia ....

OP, I feel your pain ....
 
Thanks for taking the time to share your story ! and I am sorry to hear about the issues both with the truck and with the importer..
 
if anyone wants a challenge, i will sell the old body and frame ...
if not, i am going to make a 79 series pickup out of it.
 
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