TPMS sensors - OEM or OES?

[tominboise]

I need 5 TPMS sensors for my Rock Warrior wheels. Choice is Toyota OEM or Original Equipment Supplier at about $15 less per wheel. Any thoughts one way or the other?

This is for p/n 42607-33011, putting RWs on a 2008.

 

[bloc]

Who was Toyota’s supplier? I’m about to go down this road on mine.

 

[gaijin]

I need 5 TPMS sensors for my Rock Warrior wheels. Choice is Toyota OEM or Original Equipment Supplier at about $15 less per wheel. Any thoughts one way or the other?

This is for p/n 42607-33011, putting RWs on a 2008.

Please be advised that the latest Toyota Part# is 42607-33012: Latest TPMS Sensor

• Manufacturer:Toyota
• Part Number:42607-33012
• Part:Tire Pressure Sensor
• Replaces:42607-52010, 42607-52030, 42607-33010, 42607-33011, 42607-34020, 42607-35010

May be just me, but for the extra $15, I'd go OEM.

HTH

 

[tominboise]

I tend to agree on the OEM aspect. Can you confirm the new 33012 works on the RW wheel? I guess it must, as it is shown as a replacement for that part number.

 

[gaijin]

I tend to agree on the OEM aspect. Can you confirm the new 33012 works on the RW wheel? I guess it must, as it is shown as a replacement for that part number.

You've answered your own question.

If you go to a Toyota dealer's parts counter and order the 42607-33011 sensor, they'll sell you the 42607-33012 part.

HTH

 

[tominboise]

I ordered 5 Denso's tonight for $36 each. I missed the memo on Pacific being the manufacturer for Denso, but anyway....We shall see.

Next decision is which 285/70R17 tire to order for these wheels:

Hankook Dynapro M/T
Cooper Discoverer ST MAXX
Nitto Trail Grappler
Etc

 

[Markuson]

Please be advised that the latest Toyota Part# is 42607-33012: Latest TPMS Sensor

• Manufacturer:Toyota
• Part Number:42607-33012
• Part:Tire Pressure Sensor
• Replaces:42607-52010, 42607-52030, 42607-33010, 42607-33011, 42607-34020, 42607-35010

May be just me, but for the extra $15, I'd go OEM.

HTH

Me too.
My stock original TPMS have been in use since 2007. Amazing their batteries keep going...
At least 11.5 years now.
Tells me OEM is a good bet.

 

[bloc]

I missed the memo on Pacific being the manufacturer for Denso, but anyway....We shall see.

Next decision is which 285/70R17 tire to order for these wheels:

Just ordering my Densos on amazon and realized they have "Pacific" molded into the case on the left side. FWIW

Anyone tried programming the new TPMS with Techstream? I've heard there can be some difficulties with it.

 

[unclemat]

Hate effing TPMS.

So previously for my winter tires I got Pacific PMV-107J sensors from tpms.com which are OEM equivalents of 42607-33011/42607-33012. Worked as a charm on my 2015 Land Cruiser when programmed using Autel TS501 tool. I got the Autel because my ebay flavor of Techstream refused to talk to TPMS computer in the Land Crusier, though it worked fine with my 2012 Tacoma.

Now for a new set of Rock Warriors I ordered another set of sensors but this time I got PMV-C11A. These are supposedly equivalent of 42607-35040. And *supposedly* replacement for 42607-33012. However, the retailer says that Q3 2018 TPMS update is needed to trigger these sensors and Autel's Toyota update is from 03/2018.

I looked at RockAuto's Denso - which is Pacific in Denso box - but it seems 5500103 may come with the new C11A version, so I will be unable to use my tool.

Super frustrating. I think I may go with Huf sensors that I also used (for Tacoma's winter wheels), at least these worked fine with Autel.

 

[Reckless]

Thanks for posting this up. I finally got around to going back to discount tire and they are replacing my TPMS sensors for free. Both my fronts were bad. They said they are expected to last 6-7 years.

I think there was some issue as they had a huge poster on the wall saying they will refund/replace anyone who isn't satisfied. My problem has been going on for months. If I had to do this again I may go with OEM. I saw my receipt I had paid $45/ea.

 

[bloc]

Discount could not get my denso 550-0103 sensors working. They couldn’t even detect a signal from them on their programmer, after days and miles of driving on them. And yet my spare tire with original sensor was detectable just fine.

Brought it to toyota and they programmed in the sensor codes I provided with their techstream.. everything works perfectly.

 

[unclemat]

Discount could not get my denso 550-0103 sensors working. They couldn’t even detect a signal from them on their programmer, after days and miles of driving on them. And yet my spare tire with original sensor was detectable just fine.

Brought it to toyota and they programmed in the sensor codes I provided with their techstream.. everything works perfectly.

Yep, that would confirm 5500103 is the new PVM-C11A, which requires a tool with the new firmware that apparently only Toyota may have. E.g. Autel TS501 will not trigger these.

 

[40Man]

Yep, that would confirm 5500103 is the new PVM-C11A, which requires a tool with the new firmware that apparently only Toyota may have. Autel TS501 will not trigger these.

I purchased a number of the 5500103 sensors from Rock Auto. 2 to replace two dying sensors on my LC and a full new set for my 2013 4runner that I picked up TRD wheels for. Discount programmed them all no problem. And they are the PMV-C11A model(see pic).

 

[unclemat]

^ I guess they had the new firmware in their tool that supports these new sensors.

 

[bloc]

Yep, that would confirm 5500103 is the new PVM-C11A, which requires a tool with the new firmware that apparently only Toyota may have. E.g. Autel TS501 will not trigger these.

That’s a detail I left out. The “level 3” tech I spoke with at toyota (that really seemed to know wtf he was talking about) said the oe sensors don’t get triggered. According to him they don’t do anything to the sensors themselves. Just mount them, the pressure wakes them up, they program techstream and they work. I did a little digging and it isn’t totally clear but pacific industries seems to suggest their sensors transmit upon pressure and the tire hitting a certain speed. But it’s unclear whether this is from the initial sleep/shipping mode or on day to day use.

Maybe we should try and find a toyota tech on this board that has experience with these things. If they don’t need electronic activation then Carista and the sensor codes are all that is needed.

I purchased a number of the 5500103 sensors from Rock Auto. 2 to replace two dying sensors on my LC and a full new set for my 2013 4runner that I picked up TRD wheels for. Discount programmed them all no problem. And they are the PMV-C11A model(see pic).

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I’d be curious what tool your discount location is using. Mine are also PMV-C11A

 

[unclemat]

That’s a detail I left out. The “level 3” tech I spoke with at toyota (that really seemed to know wtf he was talking about) said the oe sensors don’t get triggered. According to him they don’t do anything to the sensors themselves. Just mount them, the pressure wakes them up, they program techstream and they work. I did a little digging and it isn’t totally clear but pacific industries seems to suggest their sensors transmit upon pressure and the tire hitting a certain speed. But it’s unclear whether this is from the initial sleep/shipping mode or on day to day use.

Maybe we should try and find a toyota tech on this board that has experience with these things. If they don’t need electronic activation then Carista and the sensor codes are all that is needed.

The older OEM sensors are definately "trigerrable". Did it myself using my Autel.

It's correct when using Techstream you just enter the IDs and program them to the car. The issue is Techstream is clunky like hell and then the version I got fails to work with the Land Cruiser (though works with the Tacoma).

Basically, it seems like the triggering protocol has changed, while the normal operation protocol hasn't - otherwise the new sensors could not work with the old cars.

EDIT: Turns out Autel TS501 has an option for entering IDs manually. If the IDs are known that would be the workaround.

 

[cruiser100]

I ordered the Denso's for my new Icon wheels. Going to Discount Tire next week to get tires mounted; we'll see what happens.

 

[bloc]

The older OEM sensors are definately "trigerrable". Did it myself using my Autel.

It's correct when using Techstream you just enter the IDs and program them to the car. The issue is Techstream is clunky like hell and then the version I got fails to work with the Land Cruiser (though works with the Tacoma).

Basically, it seems like the triggering protocol has changed, while the normal operation protocol hasn't - otherwise the new sensors could not work with the old cars.

EDIT: Turns out Autel TS501 has an option for entering IDs manually. If the IDs are known that would be the workaround.

Are we talking about the same thing with regard to triggering? My understanding was this was a low-frequency RF "wake up" signal that tells the TPMS transmitter to actually start transmitting from the new/shipping low-power mode.

If what the tech told me is correct he didn't need to do this to my transmitters, and never has. He'd just mount them into the wheel, mount the tire, put pressure on the assembly, and "they sense us messing with them". He'd just enter the IDs into techstream and it works. Implying no "trigger" was needed. Only programming the TPMS computer to look for those IDs.

This is somewhat backed up by the pacific industries website mentioning pressure and speed wakes them up. But again I'm not sure if this is from shipping/new sleep mode or daily use.

Now one thing the TPMS programmers will do is read the ID and info being transmitted by a sensor in a wheel at short range, store that ID, then program your TPMS computer to look for those IDs.

My Techstream doesn't work for TPMS either.. but I bought the carista bluetooth OBD module and have successfully programmed IDs using the pro version of their app.. either 40/yr or $9 for one week. I would have just done this instead of bringing the car to toyota but I couldn't verify that the transmitters were doing anything, and as mentioned discount tire couldn't detect any signal from them. In retrospect this would have been the smart move.. but I was also up against a deadline, leaving today for Yosemite (!!!). Perhaps it was a firmware issue in their programmer. When I have more time I plan to stop back by Discount and see whether their system will read the sensors now that I know for a fact they are transmitting. But.. if all the toyota tech is correct and they should have been transmitting it seems like theyd be able to read, at least.

 

[bloc]

I ordered the Denso's for my new Icon wheels. Going to Discount Tire next week to get tires mounted; we'll see what happens.

If you think about it, try to see what programmer they use.

My local Discount had the Bartec TechPro400.

 

[unclemat]

Are we talking about the same thing with regard to triggering? My understanding was this was a low-frequency RF "wake up" signal that tells the TPMS transmitter to actually start transmitting from the new/shipping low-power mode.

The way I understand it, triggering is waking up the sensor and reading its ID. From the user perspective it does not matter if the sensor is new or already installed. You may be right that there is the special "new sensor" case, where it needs that before it will send anything.

Either way, it's annoying Pacific changed something in their sensors that prevents existing tools from triggering/reading IDs of the sensors.

I ended up ordering Huf sensors from tpms.com instead. Seems to be a decent OEM for German cars. I am using a set with rubber valve stems on my Tacoma's winter wheel set and had no issues with them.