Toyota cardan Joint

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NO NOT AT ALL, these parts take time to locate! I want the parts bad and I've been busting my ass trying to find them! I want the toyota parts I can just drill out the holes for 11mm, and have been looking everywhere local and other. Where I live in utah these parts get cleaned out fast. Using some other info I found I think I can machine almost any of the mini units to work, since they seem to have large round flanges, unlike the "H" shaped cruiser flange. I'll check out your website you posted for me, without paypal I wont buy from unkown sources online. so thank you.

But I thought I was more than clear about the fact I want it done quick. So I'm just posting options for others and to see what I can get put together fastest. MOOKIE, has been more that helpful to me, he gave me lots of good info on what to look for. I know what I want ,Lots of options, I'm just trying to find something asap. I need it soon, for I have lots to get done in a short period of time. I to do need my driveline first, before the rest can get done correctly. I'm just trying to keep others updated with what I am dooing or thinking. Have had several pm's from other members on this site wanting me to keep them in the loop with what I'm dooing.

If my communication skills were poor and you actually read the whole thread, apologies.

You kind of pissed me off with this post

It does appear that mini drive shafts are scarce in your area. According to Car-Part.com--Used Auto Parts Market there is only one minitruck drive shaft available in a Utah junk yard. However, there is an entire page of them available in nearby Colorado. My intention here is to help you, not piss you off. It appeared to me you were ignoring good information that answered your question to pursue something else entirely. Best of luck with however you choose to solution your drive shaft. :beer:
 
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your probably right the truck was ifs but the title said 85 and it gets me in trouble from time to time.but the ifs cardon matched the 4 speed flange.if my soa wasnt 30 years old and sagged with an 4j40 slip yoke it would have bolted in.they probably dont have the travel the older ones had with the ifs .thanks
 
I called him to get a quote, he wanted some specs, I gave him what I had. He gave me a rough quote. I got some more specs, sent him a e-mail, not wanting to waste money on too many long distance calls.
He said it wouldn't be a bolt in and wanted to modify my drum. NO good I'm not doing that if it can be done without mod. using toyota parts. I told him that and he wanted to pressure me again and again to do it his way. I sent him specs on my flanges, possibe close matches from other toyota models. He did not seem to want to build what I want, I'm got fed up! I wanted to try to get one built by someone else only to save me time. Now that is really NOT worth it now, especially since I broke my knuckle in right hand monday night. Now I have two weeks before I should back wrenching by my advice, not what my doctors want. We will see what I do, tom woods will build me a bolt in unit with 1310 joints, too expensive right now doctors cost tooo much. I mentioned the 1350 joint unit as just a thought if I don't find what I want. And I had to drill the drum, and use a pinion flange adaptor, like jess wanted. I'd rather modify for it for a monster driveline, and not a smaller toyota unit, why not.

1310 joints would be a decrease in strength. 1350's most likely won't have the angularity that you will need with your suspension. The next step up from the Toy stuff is 1410. And that gets expensive fast.

Redrilling your drum/flange is really simple and easy.

Go back and read this paragraph again. The people you are talking about (Jess and the doctor) are trying to help you. As are others in this thread. It really is not good getting frustrated at the people that are trying to help you.
 
It does appear that mini drive shafts are scarce in your area. According to Car-Part.com--Used Auto Parts Market there is only one minitruck drive shaft available in a Utah junk yard. However, there is an entire page of them available in nearby Colorado. My intention here is to help you, not piss you off. It appeared to me you were ignoring good information that answered your question to pursue something else entirely. Best of luck with however you choose to solution your drive shaft. :beer:

Sorry if I went off, I am dragging this thread all the way untill it's done, mostly for others. I really want to find the toyota parts. When I find them I can give some info on how I got it to work. Local is hard to come by unless you know someone. I am trying to possibly get involved with local tlca, something I haven't done before. Maybe someone there can help me out, worth a try. There are lots of these parts around, most who have them hoard them. I would like to build a collection myself. These old parts will just get harder to find as time goes on.............. On second thought, those damn mini trucks don't ever die, unbeilevable. I swear they are bulletproof damn near and live on and on. They all will die eventually so maybe we will have a nice flow of parts for years and years. You said there was one in a junk yard local,utah? If you know where, pm me.

I was looking at photos, If most of these mini units have a large round flange on the t. case end. I think I could make just about any of them work. I'd like to give it a try, drill the holes in the proper position. Then go in with a tig welder and fill in anything left over from the old holes. Then clean with a file, I dont know how well it would work. Seems most of these flanges are close to what I want only off my a few mm, and have smaller holes. It seems like it would work, I would worry mostly about welding on it. The material they are made from doesn't seem like anything special. I dont foresee a problem with a little weld, I can be really precise with a tig and just add a little filler.
I am sure I could do it well enough for it to be balanced
 
again, for like the 1000th time, you do not have to do anything on the t-case end of the mini-truck d-shaft except ream those holes out to the correct diameter for the studs that are in the t-case drum/flange as long as you have a 4-speed t-case or have updated your 3 speed case to 4-speed flanges...i get the impression that you don't believe me but i swear i've gone through about 4 of these mofo's and it's the by-Gawd truth!!!
 
1310 joints would be a decrease in strength. 1350's most likely won't have the angularity that you will need with your suspension. The next step up from the Toy stuff is 1410. And that gets expensive fast.

Redrilling your drum/flange is really simple and easy.

Go back and read this paragraph again. The people you are talking about (Jess and the doctor) are trying to help you. As are others in this thread. It really is not good getting frustrated at the people that are trying to help you.

I must have sounded lost with some past posts. I have taken all the info given and I am trying to find parts according to it. I know exactly what I am doing, and I'm very, very greatful with the help I have been given. I just keep throwing options out there for others. Like I said I recieved Pm's from two or three other members wanting me to follow through on this. I was suprised to recieve those pm's, I want to help with what time I can give. I should have been more clear about that, I apologize.

My problem with jess was simple. He just wouldn't tell me if he could or would build what I want. He kept trying to pressure me to do it his way. I felt he tried to make me feel dumb for wanting to do it my way, and have a bolt in unit. I dont call that help.

I do have a hot temper, when someone makes me a little frustrated, I let them know. I believe in truth, and being straight up with people. I prefer others to be the same with me, if I made you angry, or you just don't like me, dont pretend, be straight up and tell me. Although that seems stupid when all you are looking at is a computer screen. It's just the same as if I were looking them in the eye, in my mind. No problems or grudges here, I just wanted be honest about my feelings at the moment.

I have to say I am suprised how well this toyota stuff stacks up, it's super strong, bad ass! I wish tom woods and others would make an adequate driveline that will bolt in. Something that isn't weaker at least, I guess the market isn't there for development. After doctor bills I really have no choice but to build my own, no loss though. I would kind of rather do it my self at this point anyway. I've just put to much thought in not too. I don't feel good about drilling on my p.brake drum. I don't know why, I just refuse to do it. I would much rather modify the driveline parts a little and bolt them in. If these parts are weakend, I would rather that than my output on the t.case even though it is tough enough to handle it. I know I said I may want to drill the drum to make place for an upgrade. BUT I have a couple good size chunks of 17-4 stainless stuck away at the shop. I would maybe like to try building a spacer to adapt to the drum, or even the front t.case output. Not unlike a wheel spacer for example. It's just a possibility, not so much something I would really do. THat is unless I had no other choice, or really needed a stronger driveline.

Thanks for the help!
 
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Anyone have any pics of the mini shafts theyve made to run?

heres my front driveshaft I made using the trail gear long spline(kindof a cheep unit not machined perfect and a bit of play in splines) and u joint at the diff i used a coarse splinde round flange and drilled it to match bolt pattern. on the cv end I used an early toy pickup one just cut the old spline out and replaced with the tg unit. I think the front output flange is the original (3spd tc)and the cv had to be drilled to accept the bigger bolts from the cruiser. works great also made my own rear shaft using a toy pickup one(longer spline then lc) cut down with the 3spd yoke on the axle end and at the tc its a also a toy pickup drill out to fit the 3spd bolt pattern.
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HELL YEAH, I scored a driveline this afternoon, I'm soooo stoked. I got it for $45, it's a 85 mini truck unit too, I call that a deal. I got a response to a want ad I posted on a local site, I feel super lucky. The guy said it was out of an 85, so I'm going off that. He also had an ifs unit, so I compared the two cardans. This 85 hits way more angle than the ifs, waaaay more. It wasn't clearanced though as you would want the ifs joint to be.

I can also confirm that the patern is the same as my cruiser flanges, with smaller holes. It can be clearanced for the 11mm bolts, allthough there isn't much room for error. The cruiser flange is much bigger, but after I drill it out, it will still be strong. I don't know exactly how I will clearance it yet. I could be exact and pull it apart, drill it on a mill at the shop. These joints are rock solid and like they were brand new. I'd just rather not pull it apart, but I may. I think I could do well if I drill it out by hand, with a drill bit that is a little bigger than they are but smaller than the 11mm studs we're shooting for. I get it close doing that, then clean it up with a file. I will think about it before I decide what to do. It wont be fun to tear it down, I know that for sure.
 
FWIW, I found this thread VERY helpful and plan to employ these ideas for my 40 build! The costs of custom DC shafts SUCKS! Not that they arent "worth" it, but I just dont have that kind of dough to spend.

Thanks brethren!

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you can drill the cruiser flange out on a drill press without having to take the u-joint out of the d-shaft, just mate them up and clamp them together on the end away from where your working and push the shaft away from the hole that your drilling and there's just enough room to get-ir-done

that's a great price one the shaft btw!
 
you can drill the cruiser flange out on a drill press without having to take the u-joint out of the d-shaft, just mate them up and clamp them together on the end away from where your working and push the shaft away from the hole that your drilling and there's just enough room to get-ir-done

that's a great price one the shaft btw!

Such a score for $45, I had to drive to SLC to get it though. I didn't get the original lower part, the guy used it. But he gave me one from the Ifs unit he had also. It's small and would need an adapter to use, it has a huge range compared to the cruiser stuff. My short - sleeved cruiser part, slides on the spline and will work fine. I may clearance it a bit more, it gets close to the bolts that are mounting it to the flange. My cruiser piece could use a new U-joint though, the one it has isn't original. It say USA on it. Any advice on a good replacement for it, anyone?

There is just no real good way to grab it on the mill as a whole unit. I really wanted to keep it whole, not cut apart, and mount it to the t.case. I could see where it binds in my travel, and figure how it needs to be built. I said before that there wasn't much room for error, I was wrong. I had only compared the two flanges, and the Holes looked larger than they actually were. I measured it with calipers and decided it wasn't worth tearing down. The holes are about .045" smaller than the cruiser stuff. And the 11mm bolts were only .025" bigger than the holes in the mini part. So there is about .020" slop there in the factory cruiser parts. I just did it by hand, it was painful but it's done.

I used a big Milwaukee 1/2 chuck hand drill, it has serious torque, and a table mounted vise. I went slow, I did it after midnight, so it helped trying to be quiet. Offset the driveline away from the hole you are working on for clearance. If you go slow and use a round file, with several drill bits you can keep it accurate doing it by hand. I used 5 bits ranging from 3/8"-7/16", using the previous bit, and file to clean it out and clear each stage. If it binds from the drill bit cutting too much, back it out, and file the burrs out. Go back in and drill a little more, and repeat filing as needed. Take your time, and it will come out good. Stub(short) length bits are best, if it bites it can suck you in like a screw. If that happens you could hit the rest of the joint behind. You could possibly damage the cardan, the hole your clearancing out, and even break the bit. Jobber(longer) length will work you'll just need to be more careful, and aware of it. Also try to hold the drill square in relation to the flange, straight holes are good. My holes ended up really good, even doing it injured! It slid right on the studs and is actually about .010" tighter in each hole that what my cruiser stuff measured!

Thats how I did it, I would NOT advise trying to just drill it in one shot. Even on a mill or a drill press, the bit will chatter and wander. You wont be accurate, it's with out a doubt best to do it in stages. Use the round file and make each drill bit do as little cutting as possible, GO SLOW. A 7/16" drill bit measures .4375, my cruiser flange was .448", the 11mm bolt was like .430". It is not metric, but will give you a little room for error. That way you can clean it out (if needed) with the round file. I would NOT use a larger bit than 7/16", especially doing it by hand. The flange on the mini stuff is much smaller than the cruiser parts. You want to leave as much material behind as possible, mine looks sick, and perfectly strong. GOOD LUCK
 
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Bringing this back up, is there any difference in size or angularity of the fj60 CV? Also I think 80s have a big CV under them, anyone know anything about their adaptability and angle ability?
 
the fj60 has bigger u-joints (same size as fj40) then mini's but less angle, i imagine that you could do the same mods as to the ifs mini-truck ones though to get more angle out of them...
 
I did find one front D.L. from an early fj-60, 84-earlier I think. It had the same bolt pattern as my fj-40 68.5mm x 60mm w/11mm studs. So no mod's would be necessary to fit it. It didn't have the same angularity as the mini truck stuff. The yokes were larger than the mini parts, just as the fj-40 parts and would bind easier. Even with grinding it just not the same as the single mini truck joints. As far as the double cardan end, it was similar to an ifs unit in it's angle capabilities, probably could be ground out in the same manner. It did however have a longer slip spline than my fj40 parts. I think it was the same as the mini truck at about 4.5" of usable travel. Definitely longer but don't quote me on the actual travel of it. My fj40 parts are only like 3" of usable spline.

I had planned to use my fj40 end with the short spline on my D.L., but ended up customizing the single mini truck end instead. I still have course spline pinion gears and new gears aren't my biggest priority now, so I couldn't find an adaptor. The flange was weak looking and was a 60mm x 60mm pattern w/10mm holes very little material around the holes. I added material with mig welder around the holes on the flange. Then re drilled it to match my cruiser pattern on a mill and filled in w/ weld what was left of the old holes. I then tig welded some strips of .170 plate around the edges. Looks tough and I have room in the spline for lots of adjustment with my links, more angle at the pinion.
 

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