Towing with the LX700h OT - Toyota apologists move along (15 Viewers)

[Joe T]

Nope. I also don't have a helicopter pilot's license, but if I see a chopper sitting in a tree, rest assured I'll confidently say that someone ****ed up.

I assure you, there is some missing R&D in the transmission tuning. Probably could use some revalving or thicker oil in the front suspension too.

But but, the suspension is less bouncy once you hit 10-15k miles. Must need break in time.

 

[eatSleepWoof]

I assure you, there is some missing R&D in the transmission tuning. Probably could use some revalving or thicker oil in the front suspension too.

But but, the suspension is less bouncy once you hit 10-15k miles. Must need break in time.

I believe you. I (and countless others) encountered similar tranny issues with third gen Tacomas back in the day. Even the post-facelift 200 series had a software update for tranny shifting updates sometime around the 2018 model year (a few years after the introduction of the 8-speed). Something Toyota clearly struggles with to this day.

 

[Joe T]

The 0w-20 oil, the crap transmission fluid, the horrible transmission tuning, the thin transfer case fluid. All koolaide environmental stuff.

I need to get off my ass and go in the garage and drop the oil and put the 0w-40 I have in it instead of byitching about it.

I need some encouragement

 

[Canyonero]

The LX may not exist in a vacuum, but a vacuum certainly exists inside your head.

I'm beginning to see why you were the first phone call for your dealership; they do love guys like you. Emotional, eager to post "me first me first" threads on whatever forums, and zero understanding of what they're buying. Spoiler: you're not the authoritative figure you pretend to be.

Ah, the classic internet drive-by: heavy on smugness, light on substance.

Your attempt at wit—“a vacuum certainly exists inside your head”—would be cute if it weren’t so tired. But let’s break this down, since you seem more invested in character assassination than in actual discourse.

First, accusing someone of being “emotional” while writing a post that reads like it was fueled by caffeine, envy, and unresolved childhood trauma is a level of projection I didn’t expect—though I probably should have.

Second, the irony of calling someone “eager to post” while you’re here, writing unsolicited personality analyses like you’re Freud with a Wi-Fi connection, isn’t lost on me. If I were the dealership’s first call, maybe that’s because I ask real questions, do real research, and actually drive the vehicles I discuss—rather than lurk in forums throwing stones from the digital shadows.

Lastly, you don’t get to decide who is or isn’t an authoritative figure—especially when your own contribution amounts to nothing but misplaced arrogance and a weak insult disguised as insight. If you’re going to criticize, at least have the intellectual horsepower to back it up.

In short: next time, bring facts. Or don’t bother showing up at all.

 

[eatSleepWoof]

Ah, the classic internet drive-by: heavy on smugness, light on substance.

Your attempt at wit—“a vacuum certainly exists inside your head”—would be cute if it weren’t so tired. But let’s break this down, since you seem more invested in character assassination than in actual discourse.

First, accusing someone of being “emotional” while writing a post that reads like it was fueled by caffeine, envy, and unresolved childhood trauma is a level of projection I didn’t expect—though I probably should have.

Second, the irony of calling someone “eager to post” while you’re here, writing unsolicited personality analyses like you’re Freud with a Wi-Fi connection, isn’t lost on me. If I were the dealership’s first call, maybe that’s because I ask real questions, do real research, and actually drive the vehicles I discuss—rather than lurk in forums throwing stones from the digital shadows.

Lastly, you don’t get to decide who is or isn’t an authoritative figure—especially when your own contribution amounts to nothing but misplaced arrogance and a weak insult disguised as insight. If you’re going to criticize, at least have the intellectual horsepower to back it up.

In short: next time, bring facts. Or don’t bother showing up at all.

Any more of your insecurities and they will start leaking out of my monitor. Next time, remember to actually look at the vehicle you're buying before signing on the dotted line. A complicated task for you, I understand.

 

[Docyota]

When's the next episode?

You guys crack me up.

 

[eatSleepWoof]

When's the next episode?

You guys crack me up.

Give him a few minutes, he can't resist. I'm sure he'll show up as soon as he's done checking his instagram likes.

 

[Joe T]

Man I kinda was in the same boat I really don’t have time to go test drive vehicles or **** with sales people. I wasn’t interested in a towing vehicle as mentioned. But this vehicle is a company vehicle and it gets used as such as needed. It replaced an F350 which replaced an F150, which I both replaced with similar vehicles.

Bought many nice cars and trucks including ordered ones without test driving. Blah blah blah.

The new LX is missing some R&D and QC.

Not a bad car but I will tinker with it some I guess.

This forum is a good place to discuss any issues.

He noted floaty suspension. My 600 has that and it settled some around 10-15k miles. I want to swap the oil in the front AHC.

Transmission tuning is horrible.

 

[Canyonero]

Give him a few minutes, he can't resist. I'm sure he'll show up as soon as he's done checking his instagram likes.

It’s cute that you think I spend my time chasing likes. Meanwhile, you’re here chasing attention in a forum thread…about a vehicle you don’t own.

Nothing says credibility like debating real owners from your fantasy garage.

I’m not on Instagram, but clearly I’m trending in your world.

 

[Joe T]

He probably can’t afford one.

 

[Zill]

That’s the main problem with Japanese vehicles vs. domestic truck platforms, and I wish Toyota spent more time on it. They just don’t have as much land to cross and towing necessities over on a small island compared to domestics designed here in the States.

I do agree, why not add a tow haul button and simple transmission tune to the LX? Being that it is your top dog heavy duty machine that would in theory tow the best (aside from the Tundra which is mostly designed in the US).

But in reality, the fix right now is to use a manual shift method to make sure the torque converter is locked up to stay in a lower gear rather than overdrive.

Plus the shorter wheelbase is just physics not being in your side compared to a full size truck, BUT trucks are at a disadvantage for their break over angles due to the long wheelbase.

All vehicles have compromises, but the LX/full fat LC platform still compromises the least in terms of any vehicle offered on the market (as a complete package), being that if offers a decent experience at most things, but not necessarily exceptional at everything.

Thanks for the write-up, and it’s something to consider for the future.

 

[henke]

Give him a few minutes, he can't resist. I'm sure he'll show up as soon as he's done checking his instagram likes.

"The 7 pin connector is in an inconvenient place" is a useful thing to comment.

"If you didn't like where the 7 pin connector is, you shouldn't have bought it" is not.

Nothing to see here, just fanboys frothing at the bit to add in their 2 cents, but they forgot we got rid of the penny.

 

[Joe T]

I will go as far as saying I like the 7 pin is hidden out of the way. I really do not see an issue with it.

 

[Sinister]

Damn this thread really went off into the weeds fast.

 

[hawkQTR]

That’s the main problem with Japanese vehicles vs. domestic truck platforms, and I wish Toyota spent more time on it. They just don’t have as much land to cross and towing necessities over on a small island compared to domestics designed here in the States.

I do agree, why not add a tow haul button and simple transmission tune to the LX? Being that it is your top dog heavy duty machine that would in theory tow the best (aside from the Tundra which is mostly designed in the US).

But in reality, the fix right now is to use a manual shift method to make sure the torque converter is locked up to stay in a lower gear rather than overdrive.

Plus the shorter wheelbase is just physics not being in your side compared to a full size truck, BUT trucks are at a disadvantage for their break over angles due to the long wheelbase.

All vehicles have compromises, but the LX/full fat LC platform still compromises the least in terms of any vehicle offered on the market (as a complete package), being that if offers a decent experience at most things, but not necessarily exceptional at everything.

Thanks for the write-up, and it’s something to consider for the future.

What really bothers me is that Toyota claims that the LC300 had a lot of inputs from Australian engineers though the course of its development. "Toyota also claims input from the local testing “contributed significantly” to the new platform and body structure while powertrain testing and validation – particularly around towing" Toyota LandCruiser 300: 'Unprecedented' Australian development detailed - https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/toyota-landcruiser-300-unprecedented-australian-development-detailed

Knowing the Australian market.. towing caravans and trailers are extremely common there.. hence, it sounds like Toyota took the input, wrote it in a piece of paper... and you know what happened next (not the trash can - something else ) i bet they didn't want to spend extra R&D money on a niche product.

 

[henke]

What really bothers me is that Toyota claims that the LC300 had a lot of inputs from Australian engineers though the course of its development. "Toyota also claims input from the local testing “contributed significantly” to the new platform and body structure while powertrain testing and validation – particularly around towing" Toyota LandCruiser 300: 'Unprecedented' Australian development detailed - https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/toyota-landcruiser-300-unprecedented-australian-development-detailed

Knowing the Australian market.. towing caravans and trailers are extremely common there.. hence, it sounds like Toyota took the input, wrote it in a piece of paper... and you know what happened next (not the trash can - something else ) i bet they didn't want to spend extra R&D money on a niche product.

They can say what they want for marketing purposes, but COVID did a number on everyone's product development, not just cars. Not surprising that these non-core features were neglected. Maybe it will get better in a year or two when the cycle moves away from COVID entirely.

 

[Joe T]

Does the 570 have all the towing misc?

I was surprised by a lack of tow mode and brake controller but it did fine with 3,400lbs. I have an aftermarket brake controller waiting for it.

 

[LordExplorer]

@eatSleepWoof I personally have found @Canyonero insights on towing very useful. I am a buyer who researches the hell out of everything before purchase, yet spec sheets and assumptions based on specs cannot win out over real life feedback. Hence the reason I join forums. Hearing from @Canyonero about the transmission tuning experience, especially in CO mountains where I also live, and feel of the suspension while towing, is all very useful for me. Unfortunately, not a single word you have typed in this thread has been useful for me. Hopefully you’ll take that criticism as useful feedback as it is intended and no longer derail this thread.

 

[Joe T]

What really bothers me is that Toyota claims that the LC300 had a lot of inputs from Australian engineers though the course of its development. "Toyota also claims input from the local testing “contributed significantly” to the new platform and body structure while powertrain testing and validation – particularly around towing" Toyota LandCruiser 300: 'Unprecedented' Australian development detailed - https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/toyota-landcruiser-300-unprecedented-australian-development-detailed

Knowing the Australian market.. towing caravans and trailers are extremely common there.. hence, it sounds like Toyota took the input, wrote it in a piece of paper... and you know what happened next (not the trash can - something else ) i bet they didn't want to spend extra R&D money on a niche product.

There is no doubt someone tested and proofed the suspension and off road misc.

The ACH models have great articulation, beyond segment leading.

To me it seems like a lack of corporate discipline sent it out with too light of oil, bad transmission tuning, and suspension valved for a plush floaty ride (think 70s cadillac). To many departments involved or no one making final decisions (or poor leadership there).

 

[eatSleepWoof]

It’s cute that you think I spend my time chasing likes. Meanwhile, you’re here chasing attention in a forum thread…about a vehicle you don’t own.

Nothing says credibility like debating real owners from your fantasy garage.

I’m not on Instagram, but clearly I’m trending in your world.

There you are, right on cue.

When a toddler can't handle big-kid feelings, a cup of warm milk usually helps. Give that a shot. Although it won't do anything to teach you "real owners" how to tow.