Totaled my 200, I need some advice...

[christianleeboy]

The Land Cruiser 200 is also sold as 5.1to armored car and AHC Specs Same Axles, same frame.

And did you see my trips through africa, south america, Iceland and europe with a AHC suspension based Land Cruiser 200 Diesel V8 (european specs)?

The vehicle is now over 8 Years and did pass the 68`000 miles (110`000km) on the clock. Over the past years we did live over an year inside of our Landcruiser.

It is depending on your country, how the GVWR is rated, and how far you can legalize it. Australia at sample allows till 3865 kg.

My travel weight is above the aussi limit named above, if fully restocked (fuel, water, food & drinks for 14days)...

My advise is always to travel legal, but a landcruiser 200 - or also the embedded AHC - can handle more without issues... Want to say, that the AHC is very solid, very comfortable, very capable. A reason to choose a vehicle with AHC!

@ Desert Yeti: maybe you all was lucky. If the water had raised hours later while all of you sleeping.... Good luck with choosing a new one!

Is that a factory spare tire carrier behind the tailgate? I need...

 

[nwfl4runner]

Is that a factory spare tire carrier behind the tailgate? I need...

kaymar rear tire carrier I believe

 

[Surfy]

kaymar rear tire carrier I believe

It is from Kaymar, mounted without the rearbar.

Surfy

 

[onemanarmy]

It's got big problems in lots of weird places... for example both seat heaters are on high even though the switches are turned off. The Fog lights are on even though the lights are off.

I left my windows open on my '11 in a driving rain overnight (I amd stupider than stupid) and after that, the head unit went bananas. and, guess what, my fog lights wouldn't turn off either. even when they were in the off switch. drained my battery. then some of the head unit buttons stopped working: climate, audio, etc. nightmare. I pulled a dick move and traded it in at a toyota dealer on a newer '14 that was cherry. water is death to electronics. unsalvageable IMO.

All of this is 1000% unacceptable in a vehicle with 'Land Cruiser' badge. Why would Toyota ever add cost and complexity and introduce unreliability and a shorter life to a vehicle that was built on ruggedness and reliability?

Good riddance to the 200 if that's the best they can do.

There is a glut of luxo barges if thats what you want. The Land Cruiser should not be that.

 

[terdrocket]

All of this is 1000% unacceptable in a vehicle with 'Land Cruiser' badge. Why would Toyota ever add cost and complexity and introduce unreliability and a shorter life to a vehicle that was built on ruggedness and reliability?

Good riddance to the 200 if that's the best they can do.

There is a glut of luxo barges if thats what you want. The Land Cruiser should not be that.

Thanks for stopping by, but electronics/computers + water never mix well together.

 

[greynolds]

All of this is 1000% unacceptable in a vehicle with 'Land Cruiser' badge. Why would Toyota ever add cost and complexity and introduce unreliability and a shorter life to a vehicle that was built on ruggedness and reliability?

Good riddance to the 200 if that's the best they can do.

There is a glut of luxo barges if thats what you want. The Land Cruiser should not be that.

The same thing would happen to an 80 or 100 series if exposed to similar water exposure. As @terdrocket said, it's just the nature of electronics and water not playing well together. Manufacturers HAVE to include these features if they want to sell vehicles these days and you can only do so much to protect them from things like water damage.

 

[bloc]

Thanks for stopping by, but electronics/computers + water never mix well together.

I would contend that they do, in the correct environment. Like the entire exterior of the vehicle where the connectors are waterproofed because they are intended to deal with water.

A reasonable person wouldn’t blame toyota for one of their vehicles having issues if the OWNER left the windows down in a rain storm.

Or I guess there are some other options:
1. Waterproof every module and connector on the vehicle interior (tons of unnecessary cost, for a situation that comes up once in what.. 10,000 vehicles?)
2. Have landcruisers sitting on lots unable to sell because they are totally devoid of electronics and creature comforts. Rugged!

 

[onemanarmy]

Thanks for stopping by, but electronics/computers + water never mix well together.

No duh. Guess what, I've left the windows down on my 2003 Chevy Truck in the rain, multiple times, and everything still works. After 20 years. You're telling me a famed and rugged Land Cruiser can't be made the same? Even after all these years, my truck is quiet enough, rugged, comfortable, and has nice seats, a nice radio, and working HVAC.
Leaving your windows down in the rain should NEVER cause fog lights, climate control, radio, seat heaters, etc to go bonkers on a LAND CRUISER. Sure, drowning it in a flash flood would kill any modern vehicle, but a $90k legendary rugged and reliable vehicle should be designed and built to withstand some rain. If it can't be made rainproof, don't include it on the truck.
Screens and sensitive electronics are fine on a POS range rover that is going to die early anyway.....but why add the unneeded cost and complexity to the fabled LC?

We aren't talking about a flood here, everyone knows that is a death sentence for any modern car. We are talking about rain and the overall glitches that Toyota introduced to their Land Cruiser for some reason.

An 80 series could handle some rain. It's so much more of an analog truck. So, you're telling me Toyota wouldn't continue to sell 2500 land cruisers a year in the states if the seat heaters and climate control and radio weren't controlled by a screen? There is NO way to design a more rugged, longer lasting 200 series and still include some creature comforts? It's a Land Cruiser, not a Yukon Denali.

 

[CharlieS]

@onemanarmy This was not just rain. The vehicle was virtually submerged. I had the same misunderstanding, but if you go back and reread the thread, lots of important bits were under water before it was recovered.

 

[terdrocket]

Ok thanks, but its the water corrosion in the wiring and connectors that cause the failures, not water on a touch screen.

 

[onemanarmy]

@onemanarmy This was not just rain. The vehicle was virtually submerged. I had the same misunderstanding, but if you go back and reread the thread, lots of important bits were under water before it was recovered.

I know. That's why I said multiple times I WASN'T talking about the flood....that is a death sentence. We all understand that.

I was mentioning the talk about rain water killing a LC200, that another user mentioned. In my mind, that is no way acceptable on a Land Cruiser....and led me to my statement that if that is the best Toyota can do on their Halo Marque in the US, then good riddance to the 200.

Even IF the screen didn't glitch out, there is still no reason their should be 1 ounce of unneeded electronics and gimmicks on a Land Cruiser. All that does is add cost and creates a less reliable vehicle.....which makes no sense when designing a Cruiser.

 

[tincan45]

I know. That's why I said multiple times I WASN'T talking about the flood....that is a death sentence. We all understand that.

I was mentioning the talk about rain water killing a LC200, that another user mentioned. In my mind, that is no way acceptable on a Land Cruiser....and led me to my statement that if that is the best Toyota can do on their Halo Marque in the US, then good riddance to the 200.

Even IF the screen didn't glitch out, there is still no reason their should be 1 ounce of unneeded electronics and gimmicks on a Land Cruiser. All that does is add cost and creates a less reliable vehicle.....which makes no sense when designing a Cruiser.

This is silly. The 200 is a not delicate flower that must be protected from the elements. Ask Lee (@ga12r1) about a few ounces of water. Btw, If I had half the balls he has, I'd be twice the man.

 

[bloc]

I know. That's why I said multiple times I WASN'T talking about the flood....that is a death sentence. We all understand that.

I was mentioning the talk about rain water killing a LC200, that another user mentioned. In my mind, that is no way acceptable on a Land Cruiser....and led me to my statement that if that is the best Toyota can do on their Halo Marque in the US, then good riddance to the 200.

Even IF the screen didn't glitch out, there is still no reason their should be 1 ounce of unneeded electronics and gimmicks on a Land Cruiser. All that does is add cost and creates a less reliable vehicle.....which makes no sense when designing a Cruiser.

We’ve had this debate many times before. Toyota has a little bit more expertise profitably selling vehicles than you do, and made the decision to sell what they did... and it is a fantastic, durable, rugged vehicle, serving the purposes of many that beat the crap out of their cars.

But yes, go ahead and compare your objectively inferior GM vehicle to a scenario where you have no clue how much water was in theirs.

 

[FJ73Texas]

Toyota had been selling plenty of "poverty pack" 200 series in other markets without all that excess luxury stuff that you see on the US spec models. It is a shame we can't get those here but hey I guess your kids need to be entertained on that headrest TV screen while you are going off roading.

 

[eatSleepWoof]

Chevies and ignorance = a combination so predictably reliable that even the LC quality can't match it.

 

[onemanarmy]

haha. the chevy truck argument was a bit tounge in cheek. The 2 vehicles are built different for different purposes.
However, it has been rained in and no worries about fog lights and the radio glitching out.....so there's that. The point is, that a perfectly rugged, reliable, comfortable LC can be built without screens, interconnected $7k body modules, none of that non sense that has no place in a Land Cruiser. A LX570?...fine. A Limited Seqouia?, fine. I guess.

And profit has nothing to do with it. Plenty of people make profits on things that aren't worth a darn, are too complex, too expensive, too unreliable. See 'Land Rover'

Why do you think non-nav 100 series and GX470 command top dollar? All that tech is eventually outdated, broken, glitchy, and a pain. So why saddle the famed Land Cruiser badge with it? Its just not needed and pokes holes in overall satisfaction and reliability.

 

[04UZJ100]

Only on a land cruiser forum do people complain about non IP rated INTERNAL electronics.

 

[bloc]

Only on a land cruiser forum do people complain about non IP rated INTERNAL electronics.

Exactly.

 

[Desert Yeti]

Not sure where this went crazy and turned into a discussion of rain issues???

My 200 was underwater up to and including my ass in the seat...

If I hadn't added 4000lbs of water to the interior, the winch might have pulled it out

 

[greynolds]

Not sure where this went crazy and turned into a discussion of rain issues???

My 200 was underwater up to and including my ass in the seat...

If I hadn't added 4000lbs of water to the interior, the winch might have pulled it out

Clearly you needed a bigger winch... I'm just glad to hear that everyone ended up safe and that the insurance company seems to have treated you well.