Total Chaos upper control arms
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They make nice stuff, I'd like to know if they actually add any travel.
I've run Total Chaos UCA's on several Toyotas and they have never given me any problems. One of my wheeling partners has had them on his 2000 4Runner for several years. They just recently cracked on one side from a hard jump and TC replaced them for free.
I'm more interested in the external resi shocks they are running on the 100.
I'm more interested in the external resi shocks they are running on the 100.
jonharis
Adventure Imports
Check out DesertRun's thread for his desired setup for high speed desert driving with a loaded rig https://forum.ih8mud.com/100-series...ension-set-up-what-does-your-truck-weigh.html. It's his truck i believe. Depending on how the King setup works out this will probably be what I use when I lift my truck. The 2.5" Kings and TC UCAs are hot off the press.
No pricing information that I could see on the website...but King Shocks are some serious $$$$. If the TC UCA's are anything like Carl's (around $1000 for the pair), the King/TC setup will be extremely cost prohibitive for 99% of the 'Mud community.
Sounds like a damn nice setup though, not gonna lie. If you have the bucks, more power to you.
Sounds like a damn nice setup though, not gonna lie. If you have the bucks, more power to you.
Yea, Total Chaos is closed Fridays...
King is open though and the shocks are $795/pair front or rear!
King is open though and the shocks are $795/pair front or rear!
jonharis
Adventure Imports
A price I would call reasonable considering how much money people dump in to the rest of their mods. Probably looking at $2500-$3000 for a full 2.5" setup w/ UCAs assuming doing own installation.
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If my wife wins the lottery, King and TC will be at the top of my list.
SAS would prolly be higher on the list
jonharis
Adventure Imports
If my wife wins the lottery, King and TC will be at the top of my list.
I can afford em because I DON'T play the lottery.
They increase travel if you order shocks that extend beyond 18.31". That number is the reported full extension on the OEM and OME standard front shocks. After market UCA's will allow you to do two things. 1) you can run a larger body shock (like the 2.5" King) or 2) run a longer shock. You can do both but your shock length will need to be carefully monitored. When my truck was at King Shocks they designed the length of the shock to give clearance for both the OEM and the TC UCA's. If you want to have them build you a shock .5 inches longer you could. You would get an inch more wheel travel +/-. People here that say the excessive CV angle is a problem really are stressing over something I could care less about. CV axle failure is so rare I would say that it is probably driver error (ie full throttle on ice or rocks) or a just plain hard core rock crawling. The fact is that when the CV is at it's steepest angle there is little or no weight on the tire. Therefore no stress on the CV joint.
The probelm is not the CV it is the clearance of the shock on the UCA.
May have to replace CV boot/clamps more often when going beyond stock travel. Spresso is trying out new axle design that may address it. When my limit straps get stretched I am fighting with the boot clamps.
100 series UCA's
Not sure, but looking at the photos Desertrun's may have been limited to only 1/2" longer shock, due to the design they have at the bushing cup. The joint where the arm body connects to the bushing cup with a gusset is what we had started with, but found that in a longer than stock travel application, the arm would hit the frame at full droop. Ours are eccentrically placed so the arm tubes intersect the bushing cup at the top. This way the UCA is not the limiter. Just speculating
Not sure, but looking at the photos Desertrun's may have been limited to only 1/2" longer shock, due to the design they have at the bushing cup. The joint where the arm body connects to the bushing cup with a gusset is what we had started with, but found that in a longer than stock travel application, the arm would hit the frame at full droop. Ours are eccentrically placed so the arm tubes intersect the bushing cup at the top. This way the UCA is not the limiter. Just speculating
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wildsmith
SILVER Star
That's useful to know. On my truck with OEM upper arms but +15mm shocks arm contact with the frame is my limiter and I couldn't see how your upper arms would help much with that. Maybe you could work this into your product info
Carl, thanks for the details, I had no idea of the differences between yours and TC's.
All,
Uniball arms make a huge difference for me even in road handling due the the additional stiffness of the ball, bushings, and arm over stock. Also, don't underestimate the huge traction advantage you can get with just a 1/2" -1" of additional droop on the trail. ..and my comments are Tacoma based so i would expect even more dramatic results on the 100... worth every penny!
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Upper arms.
On our arms the tube intersects the very top of the bushing cup, so it offsets the arm upward, making more clearance below for the frame so it does not hit. The 100 series market is small, and it's possible there are already too many options.
On our arms the tube intersects the very top of the bushing cup, so it offsets the arm upward, making more clearance below for the frame so it does not hit. The 100 series market is small, and it's possible there are already too many options.
That's useful to know. On my truck with OEM upper arms but +15mm shocks arm contact with the frame is my limiter and I couldn't see how your upper arms would help much with that. Maybe you could work this into your product info
Be careful where you say this in the 100 forum.
He's talking about the front.
OMG! HILARIOUS! So it makes a difference only on one axle and not both. My god....why do I even try to explain. 
Got the best of both worlds! Carl's UCA's with custom length Kings
my rear end should be perfect since the previous owner already did the "Shotts in the rear" mod
my rear end should be perfect since the previous owner already did the "Shotts in the rear" mod
