Tornado Fuel Saver

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I find some of the episodes of Two Guys Garage beneficial because they can at times explain how something works that I don't already know. But when they peddle that snake oil, to me they loose all credibility whatsoever.

I work with high temperature industrial furnaces that can consume 1000's of times the natural gas in an hour what the furnace in your house uses in a year. I get calls from end users who have been contacted by some new or old type of snake oil peddler. The latest one I have heard about is magnets that they put around the gas line that are supposedly to 'align' the molecules for more complete combustion. Many times these hucksters will install their gadget for free and get paid based upon the 'shared savings'. What they don't tell you right off is that the gismo is also accompanied with a tune up of some type whereas the air-fuel ratio is adjusted to all the burners. Well guess where the fuel savings comes from Einstein?

See a parallel?
 
I'm sorry, I just don't buy it; stoichiometric ratios don't change with "spinning" air; this whole tornado thing is a massive scam and as I said there is NO proof of any sort with any credibility that these things work. Most of the alleged "changes" in fuel consumption can be attributed to changed driving habits or running the testing over a different time of year. The hyper milers can get more than 20% economy differences just by how they drive their cars. I am EXTREMELY skeptical that there is any effect here other than placebo. As I said before I am not calling the original poster deceptive or anything like it. But if this is true, why is it that no independent testing body running TRUE CONTROLLED TESTING can duplicate these alleged benefits?
 
The theory is sound, but the execution is flawed.

Getting more even density in the air/fuel intake mix is a good thing. But this really depends on the device mixing or injecting fuel into the air stream, and the air dynamics of the manifold, ports and valves to keep it properly mixed going onto the combustion chamber.

It may be possible on some engines that these "mixing devices" might actually lean out a cylinder under certai loads, possibly burning an exhaust valve or causing pre-ignition (pinging).

My theory is that if these devices show any kind of improvement then there are basic issues that need to be addressed in the engine first, like if the intake, carb and exhaust are suitable for the engine specs (cam, compression ratio, valve size) and the operating conditions (the kind of driving you do and the work expected of the engine).

The worst of these mixing devices are the anodized "billet" mixers for throtttle body injection that the ads show swirl the mixture. The pitch is so steep that the ad shows the air coming out of the device nearly matching the threads on a bolt. There's no way high speed air flow is going to do that, and all this device will do is add some slight turbulence at the outter edge.

Say, have you tried cow magnets to polarize the gasoline and align its molocules for better burning?
 
Are there "gimmicks" that work? We;;, yes, but they aren't "gimmicks". They are fundemental or radical changes to the engine, not a simple bolt on device.

Fuel injection was one of the first major advances, as it better atomized the fuel for more complete burning and better mixing. That's a fundemental change in the fuel delivery system.

Smokey Yunick once built a motor that preheated the intake charge to 400 degrees. The gasoline was not atomized, but totally vaporized. It turned into a gaseous state - it was not an atomized liquid. He got great fuel economy and the torque from his small engine was unbelievable - no one could stall it. It would start on a steep hill in any gear. Detroit was not interested.

A late friend of mine invented a 6-cycle engine. It operated like a 4-cycle, but at the height of the exhaust stroke, water was injected onto the piston, which turned to steam, and gave a second power stroke. He modified a Honda 350 4-stroke motorcycle by shaving off all the cooling finds from the cylinders, and finning the top of the piston. The cam was designed to run at 1/3 instead of 1/2 engine speed, and the exhaust valve cam lobe had two raised bumps on it. Torque was incredible, and fuel mileage was greatly improved. His invention got looked at by Detroit as well, but never went anywhere.
 
Hey, check out this quote....

Tornado is supported by many automotive experts, including Sam Memmolo, co-host of Two Guys Garage on the Speed Channel. Memmolo recently sat down for an inteview with TornadoAir.com and said: "My listeners provide the greatest testimony about the effectiveness of Tornado."

So, did Sam Memmolo actually test this device under controlled conditions? Or is he strictly relying on his listeners for feedback, which would be uncontrolled tests? The latter is what this quote seems to indicate.
 
lets see some photos of this thing installed in your rig.. I am curious...

BTW, when looking at the website, contrary to ic's claims, their Results Page on their website does show improvements to modern vehicles.... but nothing on old rigs like ours.

Anyway, given my $$$$$$ gas mileage, I would love to believe in this stuff and give it a whir (no bitchen pun intended).. but I call straight shenanigans on this product and put it in the class of that magnetic one that goes around your fuel line.

interesting thread nonetheless....
 
If it would be worth a dime it would have an official aproval of some sort like equivalent to TÜV or better.

Whats the buying price for it and how much fuel do you have to save to have a plus?

Those things are usually sold as HICLONE
we tried to get one of the distributors here in germany to have it tested by the German TÜV ........somehow he didnt like that idea. ;)

Maybe have a look at the Turbonator ......... same crap just like Spiralmax

GET A CAR MAGAZINE TO MAKE A REAL TEST that wont be happen.....if it would work it would be popular!

I recently bought a can of that stuff but didnt try it yet, anyone has experiences?
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Brian in Oregon said:
A late friend of mine invented a 6-cycle engine. It operated like a 4-cycle, but at the height of the exhaust stroke, water was injected onto the piston, which turned to steam, and gave a second power stroke. He modified a Honda 350 4-stroke motorcycle by shaving off all the cooling finds from the cylinders, and finning the top of the piston. The cam was designed to run at 1/3 instead of 1/2 engine speed, and the exhaust valve cam lobe had two raised bumps on it. Torque was incredible, and fuel mileage was greatly improved. His invention got looked at by Detroit as well, but never went anywhere.
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Just read about this engine in (I think) Popular Science magazine. Supposedly he has patents pending and Detroit is only waiting for them to be issued... :doh:

Great concept and the water is recycled in a closed loop system.
 
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