Took a test drive on the dark side in a 2017 Armada/Patrol

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What an a**hat and horrible review - it drives me nuts that guys like this actually get exposure. It looks like a decent truck except for the extremely unfortunate (what appears to be) totally fake inlet or outlet sticker on the front fenders. It makes it look like someone went to Pep Boys and slapped it on the fenders just before delivery.
 
What an a**hat and horrible review - it drives me nuts that guys like this actually get exposure. It looks like a decent truck except for the extremely unfortunate (what appears to be) totally fake inlet or outlet sticker on the front fenders. It makes it look like someone went to Pep Boys and slapped it on the fenders just before delivery.

In what way was it a horrible review? I can say he was pretty accurate on most of his points and impressions.

Other then I know he dissed on the 200 at one point in the Armada review, I don't really think he was entirely wrong about some of those points. He has done some reviews on the 200 as well, and you can tell he misses the mark a bit, or I maybe should say that he doesn't quite see the value in it that we all for the most part understand and believe in. I believe some of his viewpoints likely coincide with a lot of people in the masses that don't quite see or understand the true quality and value the 200 represents.

He seems to offer a pretty honest take on things. At least with Armada I was able to relate with a similar take on it. I think he maybe went a little over board on how dated the Nav and infotainment system is. I can say that of the 4 different system that I currently own, GM's , Toyota, FCA, and now a Nissan system . The Nissan is the only one I can successfully give verbal destination commands to, and not be pulling my hair out trying to get it to understand me.
So yes he is correct that it is a little dated but as far as actual use and function it does what Nav is supposed to do and better then most.

No it doesn't have Apple car play, but it does recognize my apple phone and automatically streams my Apple phone's play list, which is really about all I ever use that and answering phone calls which it does that well too.
I have apple car play with GM system and never really use it since I have to plug the phone in for it to work. other then streaming, the play list which my 11 200 does that just fine as well I am not really missing the Armada or the 200 not having apple car play.

His fuel mileage was a little lower then what I have been seeing, but I do drive mainly highway so that maybe is true as well. I have yet to get under 16.-- MPG, I have gotten as high as 18.5.

As for the side vents, they are functional heat extraction vents, they are not just for decoration. Which if they were not functional, I might have removed them. I am not crazy about them. I will say like the design of the ones on the Armada over the first port hole deign seen on the Infinity version when it first came out. It doesn't really bother me. It is one of those things, like I know a lot of 200 guys hate the Toyota fender flairs, me I love the fender flairs, I think a 200 looks like its missing something without them. Sort to each there own.

As far as looks in general, I still feel my 200 is the best looking of two no doubt about that. I love the look of my 200, especially with its new wheel and tire setup. On looks alone there is not another full size body on frame SUV on the market I can think of that looks better then my 200.
 
Had the pleasure of driving around in a June 2015 Patrol Ti-L (the top spec model) for a few days this week.

Even trawled through the user manual. It's got a big added on sticker on the Table of Contents page saying, "Do not fit front protection systems or accessories having a combined weight greater than 85 kg to the front of this vehicle. If you do, this could damage your vehicle." Interesting, coz Toyota don't have this, and there's evidence of Prado cracking front fenders due to fitment of bullbars. I like it that Nissan is a bit more upfront about the potential for damage due to hanging big lumps of weight over the front.

The 5.6 direct injected V8 is very smooth, and the vehicle can be driven very sedately with very very little throttle input. But the ultimate "shove in the back of the seat" award still goes to the Cruiser, having significantly more torque than the Patrol. However, in a standing start drag race, the Patrol will take home the trophy despite the lower maximum torque outputs, due to the power of the engine. Jumping straight back into the Cruiser, it does feel sluggish, driving sedately with small throttle input, but a big prod on the loud pedal will release those Clydesdales.

No need to talk about fuel consumption, the Cruiser yields me 13.5 litres in all conditions and driving styles. The Patrol is OK without traffic, at around 17.5 litres in flowing traffic, but blows out to around 20-21 litres in rush hour, and this is driving a completely factory stock vehicle with no passengers, tyres inflated at 37 psi, airconditioner on. The owner says that in Sydney's typical near-gridlock rush hour North Shore traffic, he gets nearly 30 litres per 100 kms. Yowzers!

Talking about A/C, the Cruiser's HVAC system is supremely powerful compared to the Patrol. If I lived in a hot climate, I'd buy the Cruiser just on the airconditioning performance alone. Also note worthy - the HVAC pollen filter element appears to be far superior to the Cruiser's in that the edges have a foam lining so the filter seals very snugly. But the access to the pollen filter requires removal of the glove compartment, which is quite an onerous task, compared to the ease of access on the 200 Series. The efficiency of the centrifugal fan on the Patrol is poor compared to the 200 Series, which can really shift a far bigger volume of air with less noise when at full speed setting.

For a vehicle so large, the Ti-L has surprising little storage. The glove compartment is not as easy to organise, and relatively small, and there is no storage in the (very wide) center console fridge due to no separate tray like how it is in the Cruiser.

But it was comforting to have some technology in the Patrol. I loved the radar cruise control which can slow down the vehicle to a complete stop if the traffic in the front comes to a stop. And I like the position of the large blind spot warning lights, which is inside the vehicle rather than the tiny ones on the outside mirror surface, ala Mercedes.

The navigation unit is nice in that if you don't want to smudge the touchscreen, you can enter all your inputs via the big knob dial underneath. And the display can give you two different viewing windows side by side, one at bigger manification and the other at a higher perspective. Neat! But the picture quality of the rear camera when selecting reverse is fuzzy.

The turn knobs for seat heating/cooling or even left and right temperatures is ridiculously small, and seems out of place in such a large vehicle. The steering is, in my opinion, over assisted, so it's a bit too light but great for parking like a forklift driver twirling the steering wheel with a single hand. Over bonnet visibility is poor due to the big bonnet bulge, but it does give the impression that the vehicle is larger than the 200 Series, which I believe it is in all exterior dimensions.

The Patrol's 3rd row seats fold down but not flat, to reveal a huge cargo space, which will take more luggage, so I think it wins the cargo carrying prize, but I think passengers will be more comfortable in the Cruiser. The 2nd row seats cannot be slid forwards ala Cruiser. There are lots more overhead air vents in the Patrol but the arrangement of the vents look very haphazard, like two different design teams had a disagreement on how the vents should look like and what got signed off were two different designs. Very odd layout which I found irritating to look at.

The Patrol was equipped with HBMC (KDSS equivalent) and I think is slighty more effective, as the vehicle corners extremely flat. 18" wheels minimum due to the size of the front brake calipers. Foot operated parking brake takes some getting used to, but no different to a lot of American vehicles. Plenty of footwell space.

The chrome strips lining finishing the transmission console would reflect midday sunlight and became very blinding to the driver. Not sure how this got past the interior team, and why the folks in the Middle East don't complain about this. Steering wheel slightly angled towards the center of the vehicle, so right hand side is ever so slightly further reach than left hand side.

The engine oil pressure gauge never seems to move, unlike the Cruiser's which swings about quite a bit due to engine revs. Nissan also recommend 5W-30 engine oil viscosity but allow for other "heavier" oils. But the sump carries less volume, at 6.5 litres compared to an additional 3 on the Cruiser's TTD.

The sound system is clear but seems to lack the bass response that I enjoy in contemporary boom boom music. This is where the Cruiser's sound system, particularly the Sahara is superior.

The brake system uses the same accumulator like the Cruiser, but minus the whirring sound that is quite audible on the 200 Series. The MAF sensor appears to be identical aside from the external housing and connector. I took it out to give it a clean just to see if it would improve fuel economy, but nope, it was fine.

I didn't like the suspension calibration. The front suspension has a lot more rebound control than the rear, so going over sharp speed humps, the front suspension behaviour felt very different to the rear. On the Cruiser, the front and rear seem about the same level of damping. I think the Patrol's rear seems a bit more "floaty" compared to its front.

I don't think the Patrol's body has the NVH sorted out like on the Cruiser. The body generates a harmonic thrum when the wheels are driven over cobblestones, which I never hear on the 200 Series body, which just feels tight as a drum. I think the Cruiser would be a far more refined place to be in when travelling over corrugations. I'd definitely pick the Cruiser for a desert trip, just because of the dreaded corrugations.

Well, that's about all that I can add to this thread, after a couple of days of driving the Ti-L around. Nice vehicle, but the fuel consumption is the biggest issue for me, but that has to be tempered with a much lower purchase point, and some driver assist technologies which are pretty good. Nissan have done a good job and it felt really nice wafting around the streets, yet has all the offroad credentials.
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That review takes a little sifting through, since a some of what he is talking about, doesn't quite apply to the US spec Armada/Patrol.

Case in point the complaint on the Armada's cool box and storage is not really relevant since the US Armada/patrol does not get a cool box option. The center console has ton of storage in the Armada.

The door pockets and are also much larger then the 200's, the center console storage is much larger especially since I use my 200's cool box as a cool box and not for storage at all, so I don't have any storage in my 200's console, I have a soft side tote bag I keep right behind the console in the 200 for storage. In the Armada I have have room for small ice chest there in that same spot behind the console.

Also the glove box in the Armada is huge, the 200 is large as well but, I would bet the Armada has the larger of the two glove boxes. But he is correct there is more organizational properties (shelves) to the 200s glove box, but not more volume that I can see.

The rear passenger comfort comments were quite odd. You can tell he never road back there. That is true the 2nd row do not slide fore and aft, but second row leg room is second to none. Easily best in class second row leg room, and even if I slide the 200's 2nd row all the way forward there is still not anymore 3rd row leg room in the 200 then there is in the Armada's 3rd row.

I am not sure if in his market vs US market spec if have the same suspension tuning or not, but that floaty feel that he is complain about is what I call a smooth ride, and what I truly love about the Armada. It has luxury sedan like feel to it but with truck like capability, to me that is huge plus. The Armada has a very cloud like smooth ride, yet it's not without being controlled. Ie. say you hit a dip in the road at speed it soaks it up incredibly better then any SUV I have driven, then it regains composure immediately I truly love it's suspension tuning.

I have to agree the Armada's Audio system has nothing on the 200's Audio system. I also would have to agree that the overall quality feel award would and should and does still belong to the 200. That is not to say the Armada feels cheap or poor quality at all, it is just that it is hard to beat a 200 for it's rock solid quality feel. IMO the 200 is the best built mass produced vehicle there is.

I also would agree, I wish the 3rd row folded down a little more flat. It has little bit of slope to it.
 
For starters (which for me was a non-starter/made me tune out everything else), he kept saying creepy stuff like "yummy mummies" and "hot moms".

LOL.
I should have expanded that quote to see which video you were talking about, I thought you were referring to the latest review video link that I had posted for Ryan yesterday. Your post showed you were quoting me and I could make out there was video link. I should have hit the expand quote button. LOL

The one you were talking about was one from that large group of videos, that I had posted a few months ago. I don't really remember much about that one. I do seem to recall he really liked the Patrol/Qx80 and was happy about the Armada becoming a Patrol for the US and there was some off road footage and explanations in there about it. That was just one of many that I had used to gather info when I was researching the Armada. I generally watch every video that I can find and read all the reviews I can find whenever researching a new vehicle purchase. I am sure there were some good points in there, but every journalist has their quirks. I seemed to recall he was one that really wished they had stuck with the Patrol name on it.

The stuff I was pointing out earlier in my reply was in reference to the video link that I posted yesterday.
 
LOL.
I should have expanded that quote to see which video you were talking about, I thought you were referring to the latest review video link that I had posted for Ryan yesterday. Your post showed you were quoting me and I could make out there was video link. I should have hit the expand quote button. LOL

The one you were talking about was one from that large group of videos, that I had posted a few months ago. I don't really remember much about that one. I do seem to recall he really liked the Patrol/Qx80 and was happy about the Armada becoming a Patrol for the US and there was some off road footage and explanations in there about it. That was just one of many that I had used to gather info when I was researching the Armada. I generally watch every video that I can find and read all the reviews I can find whenever researching a new vehicle purchase. I am sure there were some good points in there, but every journalist has their quirks. I seemed to recall he was one that really wished they had stuck with the Patrol name on it.

The stuff I was pointing out earlier in my reply was in reference to the video link that I posted yesterday.

Haha no worries. I too nearly obsessively read and watch every review I can find on a vehicle if I'm considering it. I think a lot of "journalists" these days try to be funny or have some unique shtick to make them stand out, and I generally find most to pretty annoying. I definitely hate it when they say creepy stuff like "yummy mummies" and tend to not listen to anything else they say.
 
LOL.
I should have expanded that quote to see which video you were talking about, I thought you were referring to the latest review video link that I had posted for Ryan yesterday. Your post showed you were quoting me and I could make out there was video link. I should have hit the expand quote button. LOL

The one you were talking about was one from that large group of videos, that I had posted a few months ago. I don't really remember much about that one. I do seem to recall he really liked the Patrol/Qx80 and was happy about the Armada becoming a Patrol for the US and there was some off road footage and explanations in there about it. That was just one of many that I had used to gather info when I was researching the Armada. I generally watch every video that I can find and read all the reviews I can find whenever researching a new vehicle purchase. I am sure there were some good points in there, but every journalist has their quirks. I seemed to recall he was one that really wished they had stuck with the Patrol name on it.

The stuff I was pointing out earlier in my reply was in reference to the video link that I posted yesterday.
Are the fender vents on the qx80and armada the same ?

The armada (for all its capabilities) being 50% of the price is tempting

As in like you if I trade my relatively new LC, I will get the armada and get money back LOL

I will still keep the 16 LX
 
Are the fender vents on the qx80and armada the same ?

The armada (for all its capabilities) being 50% of the price is tempting

As in like you if I trade my relatively new LC, I will get the armada and get money back LOL

I will still keep the 16 LX

Both have functional fender vents, but there are different designs .

I prefere the Armada's design to the portal looking Qx's design. Not particularly wild about any of them , but since they are there, and functional meaning there are holes in the body, so you can't simply peal them off. I suppose you could have them pained body color or flat black or something to tone down the look.

I believe it also depends a little on color choice as to how much they stand out.

Here is a 2015-17 Qx80

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Here is the Armada
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There are some aftermarket options as well

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I hate fake fender vents.
 
As mentioned before, In this case of the QX/Patrol/Armada these are not fake, they are functional heat extraction vents.
 
Thank you

My boss just got a new Qx

I like the q tails more than armada

The fender vents use to really bother me but I am one of the ones that love the beluga whale beast qx design

Both have functional fender vents, but there are different designs .

I prefere the Armada's design to the portal looking Qx's design. Not particularly wild about any of them , but since they are there, and functional meaning there are holes in the body, so you can't simply peal them off. I suppose you could have them pained body color or flat black or something to tone down the look.

I believe it also depends a little on color choice as to how much they stand out.

Here is a 2015-17 Qx80

2015-Infiniti-QX80-rear-side-view.jpg


2016_infiniti_qx80_4dr-suv_limited_edetail_oem_2_500.jpg


Here is the Armada
2017-nissan-armada-review-photos-autonation-007-1024x682.jpg

2017-nissan-armada-side-ve-650x341.jpg

12323930_2017-nissan-armada-platinum-awd-review-_tb66ba649.jpg


There are some aftermarket options as well

AIRVENTFORPATROL.jpg

QX80-SignatureEdition-FenderVents.jpg
 
As mentioned before, In this case of the QX/Patrol/Armada these are not fake, they are functional heat extraction vents.

Hooray for real vents. I'm considering adding vents to my hood, to relieve a little 4Lo wheeling heat build-up...
 
I happen to be a big fan of the new armada/patrol, my father just traded his 2012 QX56 in for one and I will concede that is a strong value proposition relative to the LC. Is the build quality the same? Probably not. But you can have 10's of thousands getting one pretty well loaded.

Time will tell how it holds up here. I will be keeping tabs on it for sure and see how it compares to my 2015 LC...
 
I happen to be a big fan of the new armada/patrol, my father just traded his 2012 QX56 in for one and I will concede that is a strong value proposition relative to the LC. Is the build quality the same? Probably not. But you can have 10's of thousands getting one pretty well loaded.

Time will tell how it holds up here. I will be keeping tabs on it for sure and see how it compares to my 2015 LC...
agreed

Local dealer has $38,000 armada
Heck of a value


Also new 2018 QX 80 design is better but is $65k
 
Is there a difference from the Amada we get in the United States and Nissan petro that sold say in Saudi Arabia and if so what ?
The middle east spec Armadas have locking diffs and disconnecting sway bars options. Here is just AWD/Mall Crawler spec.

Yup, can confirm these are GOING CHEAP. Buddy just bought one for $41k brand new off the lot for SL trim (Nav/AWD/Leather). The SL trims are going like $35-ish (Cloth, Nav, AWD). Would buy one of these based on that it is a Patrol and made in Japan.
 
I certainly wish we got the trick off-road kit that Nissan offers on this platform outside of the U.S., that being said I think it still has a two-speed transfer case, 9-10 inches of ground clearance, and plenty of sidewall; for 99% of drivers that is more than enough and certainly better than what they did to the pathfinder...
 
The poor Pathfinder...

Nissan's lineup is a bummer. They have 5 vehicles in the same, dreary, crossover segment. The new Titan looks horrendous. The Frontier is passable but dated. Aside from the GT-R I don't see why anyone cross-shops a Nissan with anything. The Armada does look fairly decent for what it is though. Plus, it has a cool name.
 
We've had a few Nissan Armadas. We love them. Tows like a freight train, comfortable and 14-20mpg. NO issues in almost 300K combined miles.

The new Armada is a cross between the Infinity and the old Armada. The Armada sits lower than the Patrol and has a more cushy suspension. We've driven a Patrol in Sydney.

The quality is great, but the interior is sub-par against a LC finish.

Overall.. we don't like the bulbous whale look of the Infinity, so we will look for a low mileage old style if the time ever comes to replace our current Armada.

J
 

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