Took a test drive on the dark side in a 2017 Armada/Patrol

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I have been considering replacing one my 2011 LCs sometime after the first of next year.
I have gotten my shopping list narrowed down to
The following
2016 or 17 silver LC
Or
2017 silver Armada
Or
2017 white Grand Cherokee summit with a diesel

Anyway the local Nissan dealer got some new 17 Armada's in last week. I stopped Saturday and test drove one.
I was really impressed with quite a few things. The seat comfort was incredible, ride was really smooth, interior was very quite going down the road. The materials were top notch, a little more spacious inside then my LCs. The Armada is so much better looking then the QX80 version. That's really the only reason I am now considering one . I had heard for a few years now, just how nice the QX is, just could never get past that odd looking nose. I really thought the Armada looked sharp.

The things I didn't care for were the lack of a split rear hatch/tailgate that I really like on my LC, lack of cool box console also something I really use on my LC more then I ever thought I would. The main gripe I had with it is, and it's really minor, but just bugs the crap out of me, was on the black leather seats they did some sort of contrast piping and stitching on the seats in a orange/brown color, yet the center console and doors, everywhere else is vehicle the contrast stitching was in a totally different color, the doors, console etc, were contrast in a white grey color stitching same as what the use in the QX80s with black seats, only in the QX they use the same color stitching on seats as they did everywhere else in the vehicle. It's as if whomever to change the contrast colors on the seats forgot the rest of the interior was shared with another vehicle that was contrast in a different color. To me it just looked like a mistake, the orange/brown contrast was just out of place. Like I said it was a minor thing.

Next up a 16/17 LC as soon as one lands around here.
Nearest one to me is currently about a 150 miles away.
 
I think you should stick with Toyota...
 
Stay away from the jeep. Too many issues per consumer reports and I had the diesel in a ram 1500 until dodge bought it back :). Always broken.
 
Stay away from the jeep. Too many issues per consumer reports and I had the diesel in a ram 1500 until dodge bought it back :). Always broken.

I have a 2014 JGC with the VM diesel and it is my favorite car,about 60k miles on it now and besides oil changes never has been in the dealership.

It is a lot smaller then the LC200 or a new Patrol but then again we get a consistent 27 mpg out of it and the few times I pulled a trailer loaded with my 40 I was still getting 20 mpg!

I love the lc200 with V8 diesel but since they are not available in the US Mr T will not sell me a new car untill they sell the diesels here that are available overseas.

Joe
 
With the epa requirements can't keep a diesel running in the states. Good luck and when your jeep finally starts to have issues which it will. Good luck
 
I tried "Heep" and built the snot out of one....... still just a time bomb...... although it would go anywhere....just always wondered if it'd make it back.... so happy to be in a 200 ....
 
I love the lc200 with V8 diesel but since they are not available in the US Mr T will not sell me a new car untill they sell the diesels here that are available overseas.

Joe[/QUOTE]

Since the Original Mr. T (Toyoda) has passed away some years ago your wait may be a long one. However, his son may grant your wish if the U.S. EPA ever...
 
Thanks to the VW scandal and the EPA/CARB Nazis, we will never see a Toyota diesel here again.
 
Wouldn't it be nice if Nissan or Toyota offered something similar here in the states...


Home | THE NEW NISSAN PATROL DESERT EDITION

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Yea I have been watching a lot of YouTube videos researching all the different vehicles that I am interested in, and when saw that desert edition, I thought man if that package were offered here in the US, I think the decision would be all over. I liked that package a lot.
Also noticed what I thought looked like a cool box console in that same video where I had first seen the desert edition. I am taking it that they have some of the same features as the LC some that I was wishing it had, yet they only available in other markets around the globe, not here.
 
Is the Patrol IFS/IRS, or does Nissan make a model with one or two solid axles? I haven't done the research on the international models but I believe the Armada and QX56/80 are independent on all 4 corners. That's one of the biggest differences I can see between the 200 and the Armada.

Funny however that in one of the reviews I read of the Armada, that they still complained about a super high 3rd row with cramped legroom. Seems like Nissan hasn't lowered the floor in spite of having an independent rear back there.

I'm very curious to see how these trucks age and how the aftermarket supports them. We had a 4.0 V6 Xterra that we liked well enough for what it was, and in spite of Nissan producing many below-average cars, the price point of the new Armada could help set this thing apart.

With that said independent suspension on all 4 corners and made by Nissan are two strikes against it that put it in the same camp as a Grand Cherokee, so the long-term reliability certainly has some obstacles to overcome.
 
Stay away from the jeep. Too many issues per consumer reports and I had the diesel in a ram 1500 until dodge bought it back :). Always broken.

Well I had thought about the potential quality issues. However I have had and still have several FCA trucks. I had a 2013 2500 HD diesel , and now have a 2015 diesel 2500 both powered by Cummins diesels, neither ever had anything done to them but oil changes, so far so good. A good friend of mine now has my old 13 and so far no problems for that either it now has close to 40K on it. I also had a couple 1500s a 2013 and a 2015 both with Hemi gas motors and 8spd transmissions, didn't have them for a real long period, just a little over year or so for each, nothing but oil changes their as well. We also had a 14 Durango with a Hemi 8 speed, and some good friends of mine have it now with about 40,000 miles on it now, again nothing but oil changes. Well I had ordered that Durango and when it came in it had one faulty backup sensor, that was fixed in the first week of owning it, after that no issue at all.

As far as the VM diesel engine goes. I am not sure what to think. I had one in a Liberty in 2005, I now have a modern version of that same 2.8L in a 2016 Colorado, so far no issues with the engine or transmission at all but so far only 7000 miles to date got it in April 16.
Now that Liberty with the VM 2.8 had a lot of Turbo lag, but the Colorado does not, at least not anything like the delay, I had fought with that liberty 10 years earlier. The Colorado is really responsive, I hit a new high 50 mile average today of 30.8MPG in a loaded 4x4 hauling about 1000 pounds in it. The truck is small and not the most comfortable vehicle in the stable for long hauls , but it has proven to be a very handy little truck. I use to keep an HD for heavy pulling, and 1/2 ton as a daily driver, the Colorado essentially replaced the half ton.

I have a 2014 JGC with the VM diesel and it is my favorite car,about 60k miles on it now and besides oil changes never has been in the dealership.

It is a lot smaller then the LC200 or a new Patrol but then again we get a consistent 27 mpg out of it and the few times I pulled a trailer loaded with my 40 I was still getting 20 mpg!


I love the lc200 with V8 diesel but since they are not available in the US Mr T will not sell me a new car untill they sell the diesels here that are available overseas.

Joe

Good to know. The size of GC and the diesel is what I was sort of liking about it. I have been really happy with how my truck setup has been working with my RAM Diesel HD and much the smaller Diesel Colorado.

I was thinking that might be nice to break up the twin LCs and have one smaller SUV which is in part why the Jeep made the list, plus it is one of the only diesel SUVs out there and since I am major fan of diesels it made the list.

I think the BMW X5 is still offered in a diesel, I believe MB has dropped their oil burner for the US market, not a 100% sure on that. The RR sport has Ford diesel in it that has been touted highly but I think I might be more worried about RR quality than I am worried about FCA quality, if I got a lemon RR and decided to dump it year or so later I am guessing its a $20-30K loss maybe more, where the Jeep GC isn't by any means great in its typical residual values, but net dollars lost is likely half that if something didn't work out with the GC.

The X5 and others like just seems to car like.
I had already ruled out the RR for price, residual value concerns, quality concerns, and availability.


At the moment I am still leaning a little bit toward the 16/17 LC, wile still having a hard time shaking certain appealing aspects of the Patrol/ Armada.
 
Not commenting on quality of Land Rover products, but you will be surprised how well they maintain its price. Particularly, referring to '13 and newer full size Range Rovers. I bet you it blows LC/ LX out of the water in that department.
 
Is the Patrol IFS/IRS, or does Nissan make a model with one or two solid axles? I haven't done the research on the international models but I believe the Armada and QX56/80 are independent on all 4 corners. That's one of the biggest differences I can see between the 200 and the Armada.

Funny however that in one of the reviews I read of the Armada, that they still complained about a super high 3rd row with cramped legroom. Seems like Nissan hasn't lowered the floor in spite of having an independent rear back there.

I'm very curious to see how these trucks age and how the aftermarket supports them. We had a 4.0 V6 Xterra that we liked well enough for what it was, and in spite of Nissan producing many below-average cars, the price point of the new Armada could help set this thing apart.

With that said independent suspension on all 4 corners and made by Nissan are two strikes against it that put it in the same camp as a Grand Cherokee, so the long-term reliability certainly has some obstacles to overcome.

It's 4 wheel independent, I believe with some type of self leveling going on in the rear. Which I believe, is why the 3rd row folds into the floor.

I do believe the 3rd row seating position is a little better then the LC's, knees are not quite as elevated for and adult to set their as they are in the LC. Still not great only better.

Actually pretty much every seat position in the Armada had more room and comfort then the LCs.
Though not by a lot, but it is larger and has noticeable amount of additional space inside.
That was something, that I really did like was the leg room, shoulder room and the seat comfort in general seemed better, and the additional cargo space behind the 3rd row was a plus. I do believe they should have brought the rear portion of cabin further back for even more functional space and inside which would in turn be shortening up the rear bumper, no change in physical over length demission would be required.The Armada has a massive rear bumper bulged way out there to hide the full size spare, the space above that massive rear bumper is just wasted being outside the vehicle.
 
Does the floor behind the 2nd row slope from high in front to lower at the rear....the Q80 does.

Bad design

The new GM full size SUV's (Tahoe, Suburban etc ) do this to compensate for inadequate rear suspension clearance.
 
The color white is always a good one.
:rolleyes:
 
Btw for what it is worth the JGZ with the diesel and 4x4 has a great resale value,just look around for any of the 07 or 08's or anything 2014 and up.

Liberty has a bad resale but it has a not so great reputation with that 2.8 VM.
 
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