Tire Pressure recommendation

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The Recommended Cold Tire Inflation Pressure (RCTIP) for those LT275/70R18 tires on your LC200 is 41psi F/R.



By design specifications, no LT-Metric tire is recommended for use below 35psi on ANY vehicle. The best handle I can get on the rationale for this restriction is that because of the heavier construction of the LT tire, heat build-up due to tire flexing will be greater than can be normally dissipated by the tire - this would be worse at high speeds for long duration, like your "long highway runs." So... in your case, at 35psi or less, not only would the tire not have enough dynamic Load capacity to safely handle the weight of your LC200, it would increase the risk of catastrophic tire failure due to heat build-up.

My bottom line: Feel free to play around with whatever tire pressures float your boat, but keep them above the minimum recommended 41psi.

HTH
Thanks, that is exactly my worry. I might switch back to the stock tires for vacations with wife in nice weather.

Seems like there would be some safety factor allowing me to run less than the recommended pressure. These tires have far more weight capacity than my stock tires. I'm watching my TPMS to see how much pressure increases, a rough approximation of how hot they are getting. I plan to try the same run at 35psi to see how much the pressure rises. Also carrying an infrared thermometer to check tire temps as soon as possible after pulling off the highway.

Big airplanes can overheat their tires by taxiing too fast for too long, happens sometimes, something I have to think about at work.
 
@gaijin, correct!

Thank you for deciphering! Much appreciated
 
'21 LC, online tire pressure calculator came up with 42psi. Discount tire wanted to set them at 35psi, not sure if they have their own calculator? @gaijin what do you come up with?

Pretty hard ride at 42psi, but feels nimble, and I like the higher hydroplaning speed for my highway driving in rain and snow. I tried them around town at 35 and they are significantly better riding without getting mushy, but wife still felt they were harsh.

Ran them around the bottom of Lake Michigan at 45psi in rain and rush-hour traffic, they felt great. TPMS showed them gaining just one or two psi at 75mph on dry pavement, I'm used to seeing 5psi increase on other tires, not sure why much less pressure increase?

What are the dangers of running 35psi or less on these tires if I go on vacation with the wife, long highway runs? I expect it will cost me handling and mileage, maybe outer tread wear? But would it harm the tires structurally to be flexing more at speed?
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I'm going to go against the grain here. There's no critical threshold for 42 PSI, and things won't magically explode at pressures below that.

Understand that the OEM inflation pressure is not likely composed of only load handling. Which makes the whole RCTIP methodology flawed. And even if it is, it is for the fully rated GVWR and highest speed rating for the vehicle. And it includes margin. Any LC is not likely being used in that way on a regular basis.

Also understand that the stock vehicle suspension assumes a certain tire sidewall spring rate. 42PSI on a heavier LT tire is going to cause the vehicle to be skittish at high speeds, especially bumpier surfaces, with the tire not staying on planted on the road. That is more of a concern than any supposed fear, uncertainty, and doubt about an assumed magical 42 PSI load carrying number.

If the ride feels too firm and brittle, it is. I'd encourage you to try 38PSI or lower. You can always re-inflate.

RCTIP on this forum is highly flawed and has propagated dangerously as a false requirement.
 
Data points. 53°F day, started at 44psi. 70mph for an hour on 294 in Chicago. I'll try again in a couple days at lower pressure.
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Quick question: What might be the RCTIP for the Toyo Open Country A/T3 LT285/75R17 on a 2018 LC200?

Thanks for offering this!

- Fred

The RCTIP for those LT285/75R17 tires on your LC200 is 37psi F/R.

Glad to help!
 
I'm going to go against the grain here. There's no critical threshold for 42 PSI, and things won't magically explode at pressures below that.

Understand that the OEM inflation pressure is not likely composed of only load handling. Which makes the whole RCTIP methodology flawed. And even if it is, it is for the fully rated GVWR and highest speed rating for the vehicle. And it includes margin. Any LC is not likely being used in that way on a regular basis.

Also understand that the stock vehicle suspension assumes a certain tire sidewall spring rate. 42PSI on a heavier LT tire is going to cause the vehicle to be skittish at high speeds, especially bumpier surfaces, with the tire not staying on planted on the road. That is more of a concern than any supposed fear, uncertainty, and doubt about an assumed magical 42 PSI load carrying number.

If the ride feels too firm and brittle, it is. I'd encourage you to try 38PSI or lower. You can always re-inflate.

RCTIP on this forum is highly flawed and has propagated dangerously as a false requirement.

How did i not see this beautiful post.
Let me help you there Teckis, as i am fond of speaking my mind despite " social perceptions" boogey man which is laughable to me.


Youre the only one speaking the truth, and you're 100% accurate.
Ive read some of your old comments as well when you actually acknowledge sidewall rigidity as factor in performance and not just some arbitrary PSI.
Theres a lot that goes into this ideal pressure rec. and almost no one here is considering those things.

Practically everyone listening to the advice in this thread is running a suboptimal PSI. Specially if you rely on the resident "expert". Not to mention actual load inst even measured! LOOOOOOOL. Ive gone to great lengths determining my ideal needs and have written about it plenty in my own threads. It is nowhere near what the consensus would believe is "correct".


First of all throw the inflation chart out the window, it's being misused. Most of the information and practices it adheres to are severly outdated anyway.
Todays LT tires have amazing thermal management and will be completely safe down into the 20s even. You're also trashing your suspension at 40+ on most setups.
P tires as well are baby soft when you put 7,000 lbs on them and will not handle the way people think at "recommended" pressures when you start upsizing them. The entire road conformity profile changes. Don't be a victim of misinformation like i was. Do your own research and testing. And definitely dont blindly trust this forum. People here are punching above their weight class on A LOT of topics.


If anyone wants my advice, although you will have to take it with a huge grain of salt as this can actually impact your safety, listen up.

FOR LT TIRES ONLY:
Find out your average actual load (front and rear axle if you possibly can), not the max payload, not the curb weight, but average how you actually load the vehicle.
Find that value on the inflation table. That PSI is your goal AT OP TEMPERATURE. That includes high speed driving if you do that with it and does not include ever going far above that without conscious adjustment.
Theres really no minimum safe PSI when load is not considered, where your tire will heat and de bead will be dependent on many other factors. If your manufacturer lists a minimum PSI for your specific tire, follow it as best you can. Always experiment and watch the PSI, if you are filling up properly cold and the pressure fluctuates more than 15-20% when hot NOT CONSIDERING AMBIENT TEMP INCREASE, you are generating too much heat and should air up a bit until it achieves some level of homeostasis.

For P tires:
YOU CAN ALMOST NEVER SAFELY GO BELOW YOU DOOR JAMB RECOMMENDATION. Whatever that is, you are also probably going to be way above that if you plus size to retain safe maneuverability. There is not much additional comfort you can realistically achieve from going P-P. Pressure is not a dial that can be played with like that. There is a sweet spot for every setup and generally the more load is involved the smaller it becomes, specially when running P tires which dont provide any structural support in themselves. There is a reason why large sizes in P are hard to find. You will also be surprised how many manuf are using the same base carcass and just stamping s*** onto it. I don't recommend you go much larger than OEM fitment on any vehicle personally but there are cases where it is useful. Bottom line for Ps, get a slightly wider and taller tire and add pressure, don't reduce it unless you don't get on highways.

Please also note that towing will throw all of the above out the window. I highly recommend people weigh their loads when towing. I know some people dont even know to adjust for that on stock trucks.

I have by no means cracked the code to the point that i can give you an ultimate definitive piece of advice for any individual and I am still learning, but if i were you, I would start by understanding the measure of pounds per PSI or load per PSI. Graph it. There are a lot of interesting observations you can make when you consider that and remember that each tire has a different "load profile" for lack of better terms and then the tread etc will give you a diff handling profile on top of that (which everyone knows). Find yours if you have real OCD like i do and don't accept anything less than perfection anywhere you can exercise control.

Let the petty judgement begin!
 
I'm going to go against the grain here. There's no critical threshold for 42 PSI, and things won't magically explode at pressures below that.

Also understand that the stock vehicle suspension assumes a certain tire sidewall spring rate. 42PSI on a heavier LT tire is going to cause the vehicle to be skittish at high speeds, especially bumpier surfaces, with the tire not staying on planted on the road. That is more of a concern than any supposed fear, uncertainty, and doubt about an assumed magical 42 PSI load carrying number.

If the ride feels too firm and brittle, it is. I'd encourage you to try 38PSI or lower. You can always re-inflate.
Find yours if you have real OCD like i do and don't accept anything less than perfection anywhere you can exercise control.

Let the petty judgement begin!

Cross-posting post #14186067 as it may have useful information for those who are willing to challenge the RTCIP standards.


I'm grateful for both sides of this debate. As it stands I'm firmly (pun intended) in the camp of 'do your own research' & come up with your own standards.
 
Cross-posting post #14186067 as it may have useful information for those who are willing to challenge the RTCIP standards.


I'm grateful for both sides of this debate. As it stands I'm firmly (pun intended) in the camp of 'do your own research' & come up with your own standards.

And, as I responded to your other post:

For the LT285/65R18 tires:

35psi is the absolute minimum cold tire inflation pressure required to meet the design parameters of the TIRE, as defined by the TRA (Tire and Rim Association), irrespective of vehicle.

37psi is the RCTIP (Recommended Cold Tire Inflation Pressure) to meet the design criteria for the LX570 as defined by Toyota.

42psi is the RCTIP to meet the design criteria for the LC200 as defined by Toyota.

How you interpret/implement these criteria is entirely up to you. It's the same as if you were running a totally stock vehicle, with the tires that came on it from the factory, and looked at the Vehicle Information Placard that indicates 33psi as the RCTIP for your LC200, and decided to run a different pressure based on your own experience for your use case.

It's up to you what cold tire pressure you use.

HTH
 
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Cross-posting post #14186067 as it may have useful information for those who are willing to challenge the RTCIP standards.


I'm grateful for both sides of this debate. As it stands I'm firmly (pun intended) in the camp of 'do your own research' & come up with your own standards.

I run my 33" LTs anywhere from 32-36 PSI, and I ran my same 33" P at around that range.
The LT is "under-inflated" and the Ps were "over-inflated" according to that outdated and misapplied calculation.

There is also no published minimum safe PSI anywhere, just minimum tested validated PSI ranges. (someone please prove me wrong on that one, ive been looking)
That honestly wouldn't even make sense to me anyway is its load and speed dependent wether a given PSI will fail or not.
To have a minimum "safe" PSI is counter to the entire point of the RCTIP tables of load capacity fundamentally.
Its also self evident that its an incorrect notion because 35 PSI is almost meaningless when generalized over tires of such highly varied sizes and rigidity.
But also why would an LT tire be tested for the safety of a load that practically any street tire can handle?
We use LTs for durability purposes in our use case and run several plus sizes, not to carry heavy loads like they are intended to do.
Also modern LTs dont even have the construction plys of yore. They generate much less heat and I really challenge you to make one fail.

Aside from all that, auto manufacturers don't base rec PSI off just load, there are a multitude of other parameters that are taken into account.

But you don't have to be an engineer to disprove that entire argument either.
Between the LX 470 @ 5,550 lbs and the LX 570 @ 6,250 lbs Lexus they both get 33 PSI on the same tires. (shocker, so does almost every other car in Lexus lineup)
Its obvious that for each tire and vehicle load isn't even a primary consideration and all of the fitments can easily handle the expected loads.

Or for example, Toyota specifies 40 PSI for their LT fitment on the LC, Tundra and Sequoia.
Shouldn't that be a problem if when you were to do it yourself using the degrade calculation and the inflation tables you have different RCTIP equivalents?

Theres a whoooooooole world to it outside of "poorly reverse engineer the extrapolated assumed rigid load requirement as the singular function of PSI and apply it to your vehicle without once actually weighing it deny your own experience and keep your head down and bow to the authority".

Im glad you found the light though. Trashing your suspension and driving experience over dogma is the opposite of smart.

PS: I don't recommend the chalk test anymore after doing a lot of my own research. Just do what is in my post on the subject, its very simple.
Also if you think that heated tires PSI at temp is irrelevant to load capacity then you need to realize some peoples RC temp range is already 50F above where you are filling yours and likely will remain elevated beyond your max operating temp. There are some considerations in thermal expansion of air and the compression properties at different densities but that can be generally disregarded when you are dealing with a fixed internal volume (which is not exactly static though).
 
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For the LT285/65R18 tires:

35psi is the absolute minimum cold tire inflation pressure required to meet the design parameters of the TIRE, as defined by the TRA (Tire and Rim Association), irrespective of vehicle.

37psi is the RCTIP (Recommended Cold Tire Inflation Pressure) to meet the design criteria for the LX570 as defined by Toyota.

42psi is the RCTIP to meet the design criteria for the LC200 as defined by Toyota.

How you interpret/implement these criteria is entirely up to you. It's the same as if you were running a totally stock vehicle, with the tires that came on it from the factory, and looked at the Vehicle Information Placard that indicates 33psi as the RCTIP for your LC200, and decided to run a different pressure based on your own experience for your use case.

It's up to you what cold tire pressure you use.

HTH

We've been debating this for years. I'm not going to change your mind even as you get feedback that your methodology is flawed. Don't get me wrong, it's still good as a first level approximation. Which then needs further cross-checking. As the hive mind here is finding out, it often doesn't pass real world testing from enough people now, that you should take it to improve on your recommendations. The over-inflation in a number of sizes is outright dangerous as many LCs with stock suspensions cannot outright handle the sidewall spring rates at these pressures. Leading to brittle and skittish performance down the freeway. That is a loss of traction and safety that you're promoting with these RCTIP recommendations.

Food for thought:

35PSI is not some magic minimum pressure for LTs. The TRA handbook only serves as a "standardizing body" whose "primary purpose is to establish and promulgate interchangeability standards". It does NOT dictate design or requirement standards. The fact that the tables stop at 35PSI doesn't mean anything, and only speaks to where their focus lies - load handling of LT tires whose primary use is for heavy trucks. Not necessarily for enthusiasts that choose these tires for adventure and durability. I can and do run my tires depending on use case at less then 35PSI, because the physical world continues on even where a reference table stops.

I'd encourage everyone to re-visit and cross check their inflation pressures. Start with RCTIP. Balance that with other cross check methodologies. Every model tire, even in same sizes, behaves differently and may require further tailoring.

@AnyMal had some great points.
 
@gaijin Another day, another odd size tire for me :)
Kenda Klever RT (KR601) 35x10.5R17LT. Load D. 121R. LX570. Max per sidewall 65psi.
Shop tried 32psi. I knew that was too low and guesstimated 40psi. What say the book?

Here's the spec sheet quote. I thought they were 'flotation'. But maybe that's wrong?
Size: 35*10.50R17LT
Load Range
D
Index
121
Speed Rating
R
 
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@gaijin Another day, another odd size tire for me :)
Kenda Klever RT (KR601) 35x10.5R17LT. Load D. 121R. LX570. Max per sidewall 65psi.
Shop tried 32psi. I knew that was too low and guesstimated 40psi. What say the book?

Here's the spec sheet quote. I thought they were 'flotation'. But maybe that's wrong?
Size: 35*10.50R17LT
Load Range
D
Index
121
Speed Rating
R

Sure!

The RCTIP for those Flotation 35x10.50R17LT tires on your LX570 is 33psi F/R.

HTH
 
@gaijin Another day, another odd size tire for me :)
Kenda Klever RT (KR601) 35x10.5R17LT. Load D. 121R. LX570. Max per sidewall 65psi.
Shop tried 32psi. I knew that was too low and guesstimated 40psi. What say the book?

Here's the spec sheet quote. I thought they were 'flotation'. But maybe that's wrong?
Size: 35*10.50R17LT
Load Range
D
Index
121
Speed Rating
R

RCTIP will be pretty far off from my experience with larger Floatation sizes. You'll want more pressure, closer to what your guestimating. In this case, with very tall sidewalls and a narrow profile, you'll likely need that added pressure keep the tire stable and sidewalls from rolling over in a turn. I usually run 38-40PSI as a more aggressive driver, and it's still a great cushy ride on 20" wheels. With 17s, I'd recommend trying 38-42 PSI. Maybe even more depending on how stiff the Kenda sidewalls are.
 
Interesting. Don’t have much use on them this holiday week. I’ll try both options.

So far sure footed in the snow over compaction ice that Seattle is hosting this week.
 

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