Thinnest tire on 200 series

[stonepa]

I’m not an expert on this topic at all. But I question whether narrow tires (with adequate load rating) would be a negative at all. Lots of large SUV’s (Suburban, Expedition, Tahoe) of similar weight, size and capacity come on more narrow tires than the 285/60r18 that the LC comes with. Virtually all half ton pickups come on significantly more narrow tires. I have not seen braking tests of different width tires on these vehicles, but (within reason) I doubt braking distance is impacted by tire width as much as it is from tire weight, diameter, or tread pattern. And no one is likely to be doing hairpin cornering in these large SUV’s.

Off road, I have read many reviews from off-road guys including off road racing teams that prefer tall but fairly narrow tires, for a longer contact patch but with higher pressure on the ground than a wider tire would deliver.

Again, I’m not claiming to be an expert but I think many people fitting wide tires are doing so for looks, not performance.

I would tend to agree. I believe the standard tire size has a lot more to do with the typical markets the 200 is sold into at volume - the gulf states and Australia. Both are regions full of sand, where wider tires would be beneficial. The US market for the 200 is too small to sell wheels and tires for our market specific.

The LR Defender comes with 255s and it is similar in size and weight.

 

[TeCKis300]

Overseas lowest trim (STD) model comes with 245/75R17 tires.

Note lowest trim
- lowest weight
- lowest power
- lowest performance

How that equates to an upgrade, I'm not sure...

 

[stonepa]

People commonly install balloon tires on LCs here. I’m not sure of the exact width, but I’d say they’re around 8 or 9 inches wide. I’ll ask a relative of mine about the width of his tires fairly soon.
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Perfect sand tires. Wide with little tread.

 

[grinchy]

Note lowest trim
- lowest weight
- lowest power
- lowest performance

How that equates to an upgrade, I'm not sure...

I’d run those 17” Steelies if they were available in our market.

 

[Lester did that]

I’d run those 17” Steelies if they were available in our market.

You just have to order them from outside the states. That what makes them a PITA. The tyre itself is also special order. So that is also PITA. When they break they break and you can't find them here. You need to have your own in inventory at hand. My wife jokes but is serious when she says it. Just lug the strange empty tyre to the closest garage. Odds are it is not needed but if it is needed it is.

 

[grinchy]

You just have to order them from outside the states. That what makes them a PITA. The tyre itself is also special order. So that is also PITA. When they break they break and you can't find them here. You need to have your own in inventory at hand. My wife jokes but is serious when she says it. Just lug the strange empty tyre to the closest garage. Odds are it is not needed but if it is needed it is.

Yeah, I’ve had them in my cart numerous times, xrefed the part numbers, all that. About $150 each. The real problem is I have a fine set of tires with lots of mileage left on them in 18”, so impatiently waiting. COVID really cut back the commute miles, now may be a couple more years

 

[bloc]

Bias ply tires are getting very very rare, and the concept of “14-ply sidewall” just doesn’t fit the tires so often used by us.

We need to update our discussion to match.

 

[scottm]

I've been very happy with my Pathfinder AT 275/65R18 on my 100, doing mostly long highway runs around the bottom of Lake Michigan, no offroad. That means sometimes running 60+mph on packed snow, been doing this for decades on a lot of different tires. These are possibly the best tires I've run in snow, better even than the Hakkapeliitta I wore out on this commute. They look aggressive, but are smooth and quiet and don't wander on dry pavement. Not fancy or expensive, but they are impressive, and I'm picky about tires.

So now I'm buying a 2021LC, and looking at the Pathfinder 265/70R18 116T SL. An inch taller and an inch narrower than stock. Load index 116 should carry 2756lb, seems like that will be plenty good for a 200. Thoughts or concerns? I'm willing to spend much more for the best tires I can find for winter highway use, but these are impressing me, and are only $153/ea at Tire Rack.

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Importantly, how big is the spare tire well on the 200 for an oversize tire?

 

[studio19atx]

Bias ply tires are getting very very rare, and the concept of “14-ply sidewall” just doesn’t fit the tires so often used by us.

We need to update our discussion to match.

We use radial not bias ply, correct? Which tires are 14 ply? Most I have seen are 10 ply

 

[studio19atx]

Perfect sand tires. Wide with little tread.

Those are only available in v6, right? V8s come with wider tires

 

[studio19atx]

I have the Falken Wildpeaks in LT255 /80 R17. I don’t drive it like a sports car so no complaints about the handling on road. They are bit lighter than comparable wider tires, but I doubt it makes much difference. I got them mostly because I love the LT255/85R16 BFG KM2s on my 4Runner. But when shopping for the 200, the Falkens were on sale and the BFGs most definitely were not ($190 vs $275), so I figured I’d give them a try. They were great for 6 weeks of camping/offroading in AZ/UT/CO earlier in the fall.

Here’s an argument in favor of narrower/taller tires for offroad from Scott Brady.

I am considering 235/80/17 as I have seen them on few larger trucks. They have max load of 3085lbs

 

[gaijin]

So now I'm buying a 2021LC, and looking at the Pathfinder 265/70R18 116T SL. An inch taller and an inch narrower than stock. Load index 116 should carry 2756lb, seems like that will be plenty good for a 200. Thoughts or concerns?

FYI, the Recommended Cold Tire Inflation Pressure (RCTIP) for an ISO-Metric 265/70R18 116T SL tire on an LC200 is 33psi F/R. As far as Load Limit goes, should be no problem on your LC200.

HTH

 

[gaijin]

I am considering 235/80/17 as I have seen them on few larger trucks. They have max load of 3085lbs

Those would be LT235/80R17 Load Range E tires.

The RCTIP for those LT235/80R17 tires on a LC200 is 51psi F/R. Hope you like a stiff ride

HTH

 

[studio19atx]

FYI, the Recommended Cold Tire Inflation Pressure (RCTIP) for an ISO-Metric 265/70R18 116T SL tire on an LC200 is 33psi F/R. As far as Load Limit goes, should be no problem on your LC200.

HTH

Where can one fin the inflation values based on the weight of vehicle? Is there a calculator or is it specific to each tire?

 

[studio19atx]

Those would be LT235/80R17 Load Range E tires.

The RCTIP for those LT235/80R17 tires on a LC200 is 51psi F/R. Hope you like a stiff ride

HTH

I have been running 50 psi on my 285/60/18 KO2, hoping the feeling is similar.

I like your choice of emojis

 

[gaijin]

Where can one fin the inflation values based on the weight of vehicle? Is there a calculator or is it specific to each tire?

You can ask me, or you can find all the info you need to do the calculations yourself here: Toyo Guide to Load Inflation Tables

HTH

 

[studio19atx]

You can ask me, or you can find all the info you need to do the calculations yourself here: Toyo Guide to Load Inflation Tables

HTH

Thank you for the link. Will ask you to double check for sure. Appreciate it.

 

[gaijin]

I have been running 50 psi on my 285/60/18 KO2, the feeling is similar.

I like your choice of emojis

Those would be LT285/60R18 125/122R Load Range D tires.

On the LC200, the RCTIP is 46psi F/R.

 

[studio19atx]

Those would be LT285/60R18 125/122R Load Range D tires.

On the LC200, the RCTIP is 46psi F/R.

Will try 46 next time. Thank you

 

[40Man]

The latest info I have for the Tundra is 2017, but the P255/70R18 112T tires came standard on the Tundra SR w/ steel wheels and the Tundra SR5 w/ steel wheels.

The Maximum Load Limit for the P255/70R18 112T tire is 2469 lbs @ 35psi. This is too low for use on the LC200 which requires Load Limit for P-Metric tires of 2513 lbs.

However, BFG does offer a KO2 in LT255/70R18 Load Range D (see here on TireRack: BFG KO2 LT255/70R18D) when inflated to a RCTIP 47psi does provide the required Load Limit for the LC200.

So... if the tire is LT255/70R18 then it could be used on a LC200, but P-Metric P255/70R18 and ISO-Metric 255/70R18 tires would not be suitable.

FYI

HTH

Just curious-Where do you get 2513lbs from? Are you basing that on the stock 18" tire size weight capacity? The same weight LC v8 gasser in Saudi has an optional 20 inch tire with a max load of 2403 at 35 psi. The LX max tire weight is also 2403 with 285/50r20 at 35psi. I note the 4Runner does the same thing with different trims, so I am not sure the base tire is a litmus test. IIRC, my 2011 manual said something about replacing tires with the same or great max load. My 2016 manual does not (see below).

The manual says to take the load limit of the replacement tire and divide 1.10 and the result should be at least half of the GAWR or an axle. The rear axle gaWr is 4300 lbs. Half of that is 2150 lbs.

Pg 466 of 2016 manual:

■Maximum load of tire
Check that the number given by dividing the maximum load by 1.10 of the
replacement tire is greater than 1/2 of the Gross Axle Weight Ratings
(GAWR) of either the front axle or the rear axle, whichever is greater.
For the GAWR, see the Certification
Label. For the maximum load of the tire,
see the load limit at maximum cold tire
inflation pressure mentioned on the
sidewall of the tire. (P. 563)

The 255/70R18 Coopers I used to run had a max rating of 2535lbs at 44psi: (2469 at 35psi)

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Dividing 2535 by 110%=2304. Or 4608 for the rear axle. 2204.5 at 35psi or 4409lbs. As such, it seems to just meet spec.