Land Shark
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I really like this guys content and that video was awesome
The - Resurrected - CLCC Toyota Chat Thread
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I really like this guys content and that video was awesome
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PSA Reminder… you can still catch the debut live tonight at 9:20 p.m.
SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT:
The all-new Toyota Land Cruiser will make its world debut on August 1 at 9:20 p.m. EDT.
SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT:
The all-new Toyota Land Cruiser will make its world debut on August 1 at 9:20 p.m. EDT.
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Great reveal… I’m a fan.
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Skip to 5 min in…
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A couple of questions-
1) Can you get this thing with a 3rd row?
2) Does it only come with a hybrid 4-cylinder engine?
Hmm…
This is a cool truck but I still hope we somehow get the 300 series LC in the US. Anyone think that’s a possibility?
1) Can you get this thing with a 3rd row?
2) Does it only come with a hybrid 4-cylinder engine?
Hmm…
This is a cool truck but I still hope we somehow get the 300 series LC in the US. Anyone think that’s a possibility?
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I slightly prefer the looks of the Toyota versions. But the GX version will have it’s upsides, especially with towing capacity and the trail version. And E-KDSS on the GX Vs Sway bar disconnect on the LC? I imagine we might see an interesting rivalry develop between these two versions of the 250.
And then we’ll have the 6th gen 4Runner thrown into the mix.
Internationally the 70 series looks like it will remain largely unchanged but for a new front, a smaller turbo diesel and an auto transmission. Toyota is under pressure to improve fuel efficiency in order to keep selling these vehicles to the UN and other international organizations.
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iptman
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Bummer on the hybrid only power plant and no manual transmission. Hopefully the new 4r gets the 24 Tacoma's drivetrain including the manual.
Land Shark
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I am a fan except for a couple of things. Hybrid engine only and no split gate. Other than that I dig it! Love the box look and actually like the size. they said it was just a touch bigger than my 5th gen T4R and not as big as the 200. For me perfect size. Other item I am really liking is the 120 volt outlet with if memory serves me correct is 2400watts.
I like it. I'm not sure how different it is from a 4Runner? I think that the long-term consequences of having a hybrid battery may affect the aftermarket. Would you buy a 15-year-old hybrid?
But I do think it is sharp. I would drive one.
But I do think it is sharp. I would drive one.
iptman
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I totally agree. Longevity and true, third world toughness are key attributes for me. The 2.4 turbo has 278hp and 317 lbs/ft of torque without the hybrid setup. That should have been plenty to move this truck around.
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The Aussies over at 4WD Action have been putting out some great content lately… for those who, like me, have had to miss a few trips this season… live vicariously and enjoy. Also a great way to get to know some of the trails. Future club trip to Australia?
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Here's a pretty fun recent episode... and I heard the crew was in the US the last week or two. So there should be some great US based content coming out soon "I would reckon"...
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1MOA
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It is kind of neat but also not much different than a 4runner. That hybrid powertrain does nothing for me at all. Who knows maybe it will work out well.
iptman
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I'm sure it has everything to do with the outrageous CAFE standards here in the states.
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Yes for the US market getting the hybrid, but it’s not just here in the states. I’ve been working on some projects for international aid work and organizations are starting to ask a lot of questions about sustainability in terms of the vehicles.
This 250 series is going to have to be sold to lots of EU based govt and NGOs that are all being pushed towards sustainability thinking. I gave a presentation at a DC based university recently about the use of Land Cruisers by aid groups and the first question from a professor was- what are the sustainability goals. I was a bit speechless. Like well I mean step one is to get food and water to folks who are without in order that they may live another day- and yeah, I don’t really know how many miles per gallon that costs. It completely blew my mind that that was the first concern- but I think the thought process for a lot of folks is why not both- be a life saving vehicle and also reduce the footprint. So I think that mentality has a lot to do with this move to hybrids.
Also, some NGOs and Govt groups were having to buy Rav 4s to use in the field to meet their own sustainability goals. So it’s nice they can at least buy a Prado LC and still meet their sustainability goals. My personal opinion is that for a vehicle designed for survival, like the LC and LC Prado (to a certain extent) simplicity and tried and true is the preferred route. If I had my way, every Land Cruiser would be available with the diesel straight six 1-HZ in manual or automatic.
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Here’s some enlightening reading from Toyota corporate. They’re not immune from the cultural pressures that almost all large corporations seem to be focusing on these last couple years.
look at the progression of vehicle size... if we were not driving about huge anchors worth of weight then a smaller engine would be fine.
If we were not driving about in huge bloated things then even having a big v8 wouldn't be so bad either since it is not needing to work so hard to pull the weight and would get better mileage.
I love fast cars and lots of power when its in its place. problem is 98% of the people driving a big 'ol truck dont need a big 'ol truck or that huge SUV. I told my boss i dont want or need a big 'ol truck as my next company vehicle just get me an Escape or other Small UV... hell id take a small transit! I need something to store my material that is waterproof and is smaller to be able to park it easily in the city areas. I still need AWD or 4x4 for some of the job site i go to though.
I got a hybrid Ford Maverick that is fwd 2wd.. . SO .... f*&k.... great mpg ( 42 ) smaller footprint... worthless bed... smaller back seat to store my stuff... but the seats are comfy.
At least it is a gas hybrid and not a total plug in.
My point is... put the vehicles on a diet... scale down the sizes... look at the evolution of the Tacoma and the Corolla and Civic... see how they have grown.
That will help the CAFE because of efficiency. They can still be comfortable but they dont have to be the Canonayero!
But I need a honking big SUV to carry the kids about... no you dont station wagons worked for our parents and mini vans do a better job then either a wagon or an SUV. plus they get better mpg then an SUV.
But I need the 4x4 and ruggedness for bad weather and snow... no you dont ( well 98% dont ) if its bad enough that you need it to drive in the weather your fuzzy butt should be at home anyway!
But i need the cargo room... no you dont most wagons or minivans have more usable cargo room then a SUV does.
But i need it because I am not a soccer mom i am cool.... well yeah you got me on that one. A minivan and typical wagon are not "cool"
as far as taking a hybrid or something into the Congo... hell no i need something that will work all the time and is easy to repair with parts at hand or close by.
Think about getting a hybrid part in a 3rd world hole that you are bringing basic water and food too... not going to happen.
all this from the guy driving the lifted and weighted down with big tires and skid plates Lexus with the V8 lump and crappy mpg.
If we were not driving about in huge bloated things then even having a big v8 wouldn't be so bad either since it is not needing to work so hard to pull the weight and would get better mileage.
I love fast cars and lots of power when its in its place. problem is 98% of the people driving a big 'ol truck dont need a big 'ol truck or that huge SUV. I told my boss i dont want or need a big 'ol truck as my next company vehicle just get me an Escape or other Small UV... hell id take a small transit! I need something to store my material that is waterproof and is smaller to be able to park it easily in the city areas. I still need AWD or 4x4 for some of the job site i go to though.
I got a hybrid Ford Maverick that is fwd 2wd.. . SO .... f*&k.... great mpg ( 42 ) smaller footprint... worthless bed... smaller back seat to store my stuff... but the seats are comfy.
At least it is a gas hybrid and not a total plug in.
My point is... put the vehicles on a diet... scale down the sizes... look at the evolution of the Tacoma and the Corolla and Civic... see how they have grown.
That will help the CAFE because of efficiency. They can still be comfortable but they dont have to be the Canonayero!
But I need a honking big SUV to carry the kids about... no you dont station wagons worked for our parents and mini vans do a better job then either a wagon or an SUV. plus they get better mpg then an SUV.
But I need the 4x4 and ruggedness for bad weather and snow... no you dont ( well 98% dont ) if its bad enough that you need it to drive in the weather your fuzzy butt should be at home anyway!
But i need the cargo room... no you dont most wagons or minivans have more usable cargo room then a SUV does.
But i need it because I am not a soccer mom i am cool.... well yeah you got me on that one. A minivan and typical wagon are not "cool"
as far as taking a hybrid or something into the Congo... hell no i need something that will work all the time and is easy to repair with parts at hand or close by.
Think about getting a hybrid part in a 3rd world hole that you are bringing basic water and food too... not going to happen.
all this from the guy driving the lifted and weighted down with big tires and skid plates Lexus with the V8 lump and crappy mpg.
1MOA
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That's ridiculous that would even be a issue. Where they operate there is little to no infrastructure for such technology. A 20 Liter can of diesel is much easier to get to someone and goes farther than 20L of gas/petrol and if something goes wrong the mechanics of the engine are a known quantity where a hybrid system is beyond the realm for most developing nations especially one where they are having UN vehicles delivering food.
