That's just non-US spec bumper option. I posted pics here from Dominican Republic with that exact bumper:
Original post: 200 series picture thread
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That's just non-US spec bumper option. I posted pics here from Dominican Republic with that exact bumper:
Original post: 200 series picture thread
Markuson
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Nordstrom and Saks are where I see most of the LX/LC already, while I am in the USA. I am sure 300 series won't be any different either on this continent
Oh I don’t know...
Maybe that just means it’s time to get out more.
-Moab is on this continent...
So is the SoCal desert... (that’s my front driver tire in Gordon's Well)...
And Ouray...
And Telluride...
And...and...and...
But ya can’t spot em in the wild if ya hang at the mall.
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Tommy Dwyer
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Yep, that guy really shouldn’t do automotive reviews...The Land Cruiser should sell for less than a Sequoia.
On one hand, he doesn’t really understand what the 200 is all about and what it has been designed to do. On the other, he’s not entirely wrong. I have 2 200s, yet I agree they’re too expensive. It’s over a decade old architecture and does not compare all that well at its current price point. The 4runner isn’t nearly as nice as the 200, but you can get one with leather and a locking diff/CRAWL for nearly $50k less than a new 200. A decade old 200 with low miles sells for what a brand new 4runner goes for.
I’m not saying the 200 isn’t worth it, and I vote with my wallet as you can see in my signature line. However, there is real competition within the Toyota lineup with the Tundra and Seqoia offering 90% of the 200 for ~55% the cost and the Tacoma and 4runner for 44% of the cost. The only similar story I can think of is the Mercedes G wagon which had largely been the same for 3+ decades, yet the niche aspect of it allowed for a huge price with little in the way of updates (and also sells in similar numbers to the 200 here in the US). When you look at the $120k+ price tag of a G550, the 200 doesn’t seem too crazy, but that’s an outlier for sure.
Markuson
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The new Ford Expedition can reach over $75,000 new.
Cheaper than a Sequoia? Why?
Because the asequoia’s dimentions are bigger??
By that logic, a tiny Lotus should be cheaper that a Camaro.
(Mostly kidding on that last part, but the LC and Sequoia are built to significantly different standards IMO)
Cheaper than a Sequoia? Why?
Because the asequoia’s dimentions are bigger??
By that logic, a tiny Lotus should be cheaper that a Camaro.
(Mostly kidding on that last part, but the LC and Sequoia are built to significantly different standards IMO)
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The new Ford Expedition can reach over $75,000 new.
Cheaper than a Sequoia? Why?
Because the asequoia’s dimentions are smaller??
By that logic, a tiny Lotus should be cheaper that a Camaro.
Very few if any Expeditions will sell for over $75k, and the vast majority will go for mid $50k before discounts which are likely to be material.
The Lotus / Camaro comparison is invalid because they’re completely different products from completely different manufacturers. The Sequoia has the same engine, transmission (pre 16), and many parts as the 200. Some aspects like the rear axle from the Tundra may even be stronger than the 200. The Sequioa is objectively similar to the 200, yet bigger and $30k cheaper than the Land Cruiser. I realize this isn’t a popular opinion here, but it’s a valid point.
Markuson
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Of course the Porsche/Camaro is silly...but I’m thinking the Sequoia being half the cost of an LC is also a n over-statement. 
The most comparably equipped Sequoia is just a hair under $70,000...
Only option added to the Platinum 4x4 here was glass break sensors:
So waaaay more than 55% the cost of a US LC...
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Markuson
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Oops! You got a free pic of my dog somehow!
Oops! You got a free pic of my dog somehow!
Haha!
I’m not entirely disagreeing, but you pointed out another thing that sucks about the Land Cruiser relative to its competitors - you don’t get the luxury of changing options or packages. You can option any of the other Toyota 4x4s in many different configurations, but you only get a fully loaded luxury version with the LC. The vast majority of Sequioas will sell in the mid $50ks and our local shop has 2019 Seqouia Limiteds in stock now for $58k before negotiation. Now I think that truck is pretty ugly and FAR more dated than the LC, but it’s still significantly cheaper.
Markuson
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Yeah, I’m pretty sure we agree on a lot of points… And one of those being our shared appreciation for what the Land Cruiser actually is. There has always been a lot of folks wishing for a strippy a version of the land cruiser in order to save cost. But I honestly wonder how many here would actually buy one. I know what I would do…. Because it’s what I already do. I can’t afford a new land cruiser, but I can absolutely afford a used one in fantastic condition. So for me, The cheaper version of a Land Cruiser is a used one. I wonder how many people would pay for a 2 Wheel drive, cloth seat, 200 series which is what the cheaper Sequoia really is.
In my head… I wish it were possible for Toyota to do an experiment. -Build an exact clone of the jeep in terms of looks… But blow it away in every other internal aspect including reliability, engineering, performance, and refinement & ergonomics… Not to mention strength.
I’d buy a Toyotabuilt “Jeep...”
In fewer words... -A *current-day-engineered* 40..or 4-door. I think Jeep would finally meet a dominant competitor in the US market.
PS. I know that’s a pipe dream.
I can’t afford a new land cruiser, but I can absolutely afford a used one in fantastic condition. So for me, The cheaper version of a Land Cruiser is a used one. I wonder how many people would pay for a 2 Wheel drive, cloth seat, 200 series which is what the cheaper Sequoia really is.In my head… I wish it were possible for Toyota to do an experiment. -Build an exact clone of the jeep in terms of looks… But blow it away in every other internal aspect including reliability, engineering, performance, and refinement & ergonomics… Not to mention strength.
I’d buy a Toyotabuilt “Jeep...”
In fewer words... -A *current-day-engineered* 40..or 4-door. I think Jeep would finally meet a dominant competitor in the US market.
PS. I know that’s a pipe dream.
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Wonder if Toyota has thought of offering optioned LCs via special order? Conceivably, this good generate more revenue for them?
Very well said!
Toyota doesn’t really do custom orders in the US.
Oh, well. Nice thought.
While this may have held true is the past, the G Wagen just had a substantial update to its dimensions, suspension, technology suite, interior, exterior, etc.
Guy who provides insider info on Toyota/Lexus (he may work for them - I don't know), just posted this about a 2020 Tundra. I wonder how that will effect the LC/LX
"It will debut in 2020, turbo diesel six cylinder is coming finally, Hybrid option on the way, best in class fuel economy, all new platform will be used for a multitude of vehicles."
"It will debut in 2020, turbo diesel six cylinder is coming finally, Hybrid option on the way, best in class fuel economy, all new platform will be used for a multitude of vehicles."
A hybrid LC/LX would be awesome, esp if it can 30mpg on the highway.
RE: The 6 cyl diesel Turbo in The 2020 Tundra, when asked about if it goes in LC, he clarified:
"I haven’t heard anything regarding the LC and that motor for the US market. But I have confirmation that the motor will see it’s way into the the hoods of the midlife cycle Tacoma and all new 4Runner for the US."
