How young are the grand kids. ? I still on the fence about bringing my kids
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Well how'd it go ?
Wish I could have been there .
Wish I could have been there .
I left just before 5PM, and they were just finishing setting up the rear third and front third was just about assembled and ready for gear setup.
I'm guessing they're probably just finishing up now.
All went well!
The diff setup is time consuming. Transfer case will have to wait for another day.
I'm guessing they're probably just finishing up now.
All went well!
The diff setup is time consuming. Transfer case will have to wait for another day.
CruiseOrlando
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Heh.
Time consuming for sure!
We didn't get the front 3rd setup right. It just wasn't giving us a good pattern - gotta figure out why. It's obviously in the spacers for the pinion, but there is another unanswered question on that diff. There was a spacer under the race that the bearing you press onto the pinion sits in. This spacer got destoryed when we took the old races out (no choice) - but the setup kit didn't have any new ones in it.
We're all basically drawing blanks as to the purpose for those spacers. Obviously they do somethign because Mr T put them there. But why, and if they should be replaced, is currently eluding us and I need to dig on it some more.
I'm sure I'll have the answers shortly.
The rear third got put all back together, but we didn't get it in the truck. It was 9PM by the time Bret left, and he was nice enough to give me a lift home (thanks again!).
Luis was nice enough to let my truck camp in his front yard until we can figure all of this out.
I'm hoping that Jerry will post up the pics he was taking... here's a few I have handy now:
Rear third after everything was done:
Front, 2nd attempt:
And what was left of my front passenger outer bearing... ooops.
Time consuming for sure!
We didn't get the front 3rd setup right. It just wasn't giving us a good pattern - gotta figure out why. It's obviously in the spacers for the pinion, but there is another unanswered question on that diff. There was a spacer under the race that the bearing you press onto the pinion sits in. This spacer got destoryed when we took the old races out (no choice) - but the setup kit didn't have any new ones in it.
We're all basically drawing blanks as to the purpose for those spacers. Obviously they do somethign because Mr T put them there. But why, and if they should be replaced, is currently eluding us and I need to dig on it some more.
I'm sure I'll have the answers shortly.
The rear third got put all back together, but we didn't get it in the truck. It was 9PM by the time Bret left, and he was nice enough to give me a lift home (thanks again!).
Luis was nice enough to let my truck camp in his front yard until we can figure all of this out.
I'm hoping that Jerry will post up the pics he was taking... here's a few I have handy now:
Rear third after everything was done:
Front, 2nd attempt:
And what was left of my front passenger outer bearing... ooops.
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That really sucks that you didn't finish in time, when are you going back?
That really sucks that you didn't finish in time, when are you going back?
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We'll see! It is what it is with these projects - I already talked to Luis in advance of the issue that we might not finish. But I was thinking we'd be stuck with too much work with the transfer case and all!
NOT.
Anyway, I'll let everyone know if they wanna come back and watch us have fun painting rings.
NOT.
Anyway, I'll let everyone know if they wanna come back and watch us have fun painting rings.
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Hah! I got one answer already (I love mud, I don't know about you all):
"There are two pinion bearings. Shims under the inner bearing or race set the pinion depth. Shims under the outer bearing or race set the preload."
Hey Bret, wanna guess who was the 'first responder' on this one? There's our answer.
"There are two pinion bearings. Shims under the inner bearing or race set the pinion depth. Shims under the outer bearing or race set the preload."
Hey Bret, wanna guess who was the 'first responder' on this one? There's our answer.
That still doesn't make sense to me, but I am a bit dense. BTW, if anyone has suggestions on the pattern we have gotten pretty good at pulling the carrier and pinion out so it is not too late to change.
Guessing it starts with P and ends in D?
Guessing it starts with P and ends in D?
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Uh huh. Guess what else we were doing wrong?
"You turn the ring gear while holding the pinion flange. Use a wrench on one of the ring gear bolts to turn it."
D'oh. Doing it backwards. You get a better pattern doing it this way.
"You turn the ring gear while holding the pinion flange. Use a wrench on one of the ring gear bolts to turn it."
D'oh. Doing it backwards. You get a better pattern doing it this way.
I agree with the first sentence with the emphasis being on "or".
Shims under the inner bearing or race set the pinion depth.
I'll never say never or say it can't happen, but I've worked on Chevy, Ford, Dodge & Nissan diffs and have found that either the race is shimmed OR the bearing is shimmed.
As far as preload goes, it's either spacer+shims or a crush sleeve between the two pinion bearings.
Carter, I can't remember on yours if those shims were under the pinion side race or the flange side race. Which race were they under?
If they are on the pinion facing race,it would be a first (for me anyways) to see two ways to set pinion depth.
If they were on the flange end race, maybe they were there to get the race spread in the range for the crush sleeve or spacer?
splitting hairs here
We were doing it right. IIRC we were simulating a load by putting pressure on the ring gear while turning the pinion and vice versa. Only difference was we weren't using a wrench to turn it.
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Fange side. I think what Pin_Head was getting at is sometimes you'll shim it there, or you'll use shims with the crush sleeve. Seems like shimming under the race is a real pain in the ass, however. I'm just not understanding why they would pick there, unless every setup is the same from the factory for preload? So yes, I'm agreeing with you. But it looks like to me most of these kits set up the sleeve using shims with the sleeve.
Maybe I didn't give the whole picture. He was saying to get a better pattern you should use the ring gear to 'drive' the carrier, and then put friction on the pinion flange.
That's also how Zuk does it now that I went back and re-read all his posts.
This job has given me so much more insight into how all this works together. I was reading another post where someone changed out the gasket on the pinion flange cuz it was leaking. He pulled the flange and seal (while it was in the truck), put in the new seal and re-torqued it to 220 ft lbs.
A few days later, his rear diff went kaboom.
Crush sleeves don't like being messed with...
Well alrighty then .
Hey Good Luck finishing up , hope it gets better .
WOW !
Going to drank some beers and pray for y'all now .
Hey Good Luck finishing up , hope it gets better .
WOW !
Going to drank some beers and pray for y'all now .
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Sorry you couldn't be there - you were missed!
Again, thanks for the invite. Sorry had to leave early, enjoyed helping out. I look forward to meeting up with you all again soon.
-Eric
-Eric
I'm really disappointed I had to miss this one.
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Eric, thanks for coming. That was quite the drive!
You should check out GSMTR if you have the time. We caravan up there, and I'm sure we could figure out a spot to meet you if you can swing it.
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Okay - looks like I'll be able to break free on Friday to go back and see if we can't finish this up! If anyone else is free, let me know - but Luis and I should be able to handle this one.
I'm hoping Sam can get me a few extra parts by Thursday as well... I was not expecting mud for grease in my front axle
I'm hoping Sam can get me a few extra parts by Thursday as well... I was not expecting mud for grease in my front axle
you can prolly put more force on the gears using a wrench on the ring gear, that makes sense. using crush sleeve and shims for pinion preload doesn't make sense yet. using anything on the back side of the bearing or race for preload doesn't make sense to me yet either. if you needed to move the pinion deeper into the diff and shimmed behind the back bearing makes sense, shallower would remove shim and add shim under rear race. have to do some looking around the webz.
definately good to see everyone. Thanks for the pizza too!
definately good to see everyone. Thanks for the pizza too!