T-CAM bullbars

[Sean04100]

Does anyone know if these bumpers are availible in the US, here is a link http://lc100.toyota.com.au/toyota/vehicle/Content/0,4664,2001_704,00.html

or does anyone know if you can order them from toyota Australia?

 

[89s rule]

SOR has something similar, not sure if its the same or not. http://www.sor.com/sor/clerpict.tam...mber.ptx=1&catpage.ctx=cat801.tam?case=UZJ100

 

[Sean04100]

Thanks for the info, I think that one is different. I think I've found a dealer in Queensland that exports, which with the Australian dollar being worth 72 cents to the US dollar, might be a good deal as long as shipping isn't too crazy. Sounds like alot of trouble but I really would prefer a bumper made by Toyota for safety and liability reasons, here is a link if anyone else is interested

http://www.pacifictoyota.com.au/

http://lc100.toyota.com.au/toyota/main/ContactUs/0,,1362_402,00.html

 

[macneill]

Thanks for the info, I think that one is different. I think I've found a dealer in Queensland that exports, which with the Australian dollar being worth 72 cents to the US dollar, might be a good deal as long as shipping isn't too crazy. Sounds like alot of trouble but I really would prefer a bumper made by Toyota for safety and liability reasons, here is a link if anyone else is interested

http://www.pacifictoyota.com.au/

http://lc100.toyota.com.au/toyota/main/ContactUs/0,,1362_402,00.html

If it's safety, I don't think you can go wrong with TJM or ARB.

As far as liability, are you thinking in case of an accident?

 

[Sean04100]

If it's safety, I don't think you can go wrong with TJM or ARB.

As far as liability, are you thinking in case of an accident?


Yes I am thinking of an accident, I believe the tjm and arb would probably activate my airbags, however with all the personal injury lawyers running around , I could see how they could possibly build a case for negligence with an aftermarket bumper, maybe I am paranoid but I want to hang onto my assets.
Actually I really like the way your TJM bar looks, how much can a bumper weight before you have to get stiffer torsion bars?

 

[macneill]

Yes I am thinking of an accident, I believe the tjm and arb would probably activate my airbags, however with all the personal injury lawyers running around , I could see how they could possibly build a case for negligence with an aftermarket bumper, maybe I am paranoid but I want to hang onto my assets.
Actually I really like the way your TJM bar looks, how much can a bumper weight before you have to get stiffer torsion bars?

Ironically, New York State is trying to pass a bill to outlaw any type of bar on the front of vehicles, just for that reason.

I'm not sure a Toyota bar will resolve anything.

As far as T-Bars are concerned, I did upgrade to the OME T-Bars just for that reason.

 

[ryanjl]

Thanks for the info, I think that one is different. I think I've found a dealer in Queensland that exports, which with the Australian dollar being worth 72 cents to the US dollar, might be a good deal as long as shipping isn't too crazy. Sounds like alot of trouble but I really would prefer a bumper made by Toyota for safety and liability reasons, here is a link if anyone else is interested

http://www.pacifictoyota.com.au/

http://lc100.toyota.com.au/toyota/main/ContactUs/0,,1362_402,00.html

You're fooling yourself if you think those bullbars are actually made by Toyota.

Like almost all of the accessories on that page, they are made FOR Toyota by an aftermarket manufacturer. That bullbar looks like TJM, the Toyota "Genuine Driving Lights" look like they have the Hella emblem in the middle, etc.

 

[Sean04100]

You're fooling yourself if you think those bullbars are actually made by Toyota.


I thought of that already , these are defintely made by toyota

 

[greynolds]

I thought of that already , these are defintely made by toyota

Even if we assume they're made by Toyota, they aren't offered for sale in the US, so I doubt you'd be any better off with them compared to ARB or TJM if something happened. I think Toyota would be in a pretty good legal position to walk away from the problem claiming you installed an accessory not approved for the US market.

 

[Greg B]

You're fooling yourself if you think those bullbars are actually made by Toyota.


I thought of that already , these are defintely made by toyota

I guess that Superwinch they have pictured is made by Toyota too? No, its made by Superwinch. And those "Toyota Genuine" lights below the "Toyota Genuine" bullbar are made by Hella. They have the Hella logo right on the picture, laugh out loud. That bar is probably made by TJM or one of the other off-road companies just like alot of that other gear. Please show me how you know "these are definitely made by toyota".

The ARB and TJM bars are airbag compatible. If you're that worried about liability, lock your 100 in the garage and lock yourself in the house.

 

[Sean04100]

Greg, the intention of my post is to gather information from this forum from people who are more knowledgeable regarding Landcruisers than myself, and to share information with others.
Why the mention of a Toyota bullbar provokes so much hostility from you and the scientology guy is beyond me, you did afterall buy a Toyota? I never said anything about lights or a winch and even if the bumper was made by someone else they are still selling it as a Toyota product (moot point), which some people may find value in, particularly if your wife drives the vehicle and is not the best driver. http://autoweb.drive.com.au/cms/A_51151/newsarticle.html
As far as locking myself in the house, I guess your implying I am a wimp or something. Well my primary hobby may not be 4 wheeling, but I do race 20ft beachcats offshore here in Florida, which if you know anything about the worrell 1000 http://www.worrell1000.com/ is not exactly a risk adverse pastime. So stop jamming up my thread.
So for those of you interested Stephen Wallace at pacifictoyota.com.au gave me a break on the bumper due to the high $900.00 DHL shipping, with hardware and bar the total was $1818.00 US, not cheap but not too bad since you don't need to paint or spend another $300.00 on light inserts.

 

[Greg B]

Greg, the intention of my post is to gather information from this forum from people who are more knowledgeable regarding Landcruisers than myself, and to share information with others.

So, when Shocker tells you that the bumper is not made by Toyota, you say this:

I thought of that already , these are defintely made by toyota.

So how is that you looking for information vs. you talking out your ass? Shocker was trying to help you by giving you information that you dismissed because "you know". He was trying to point out that you'll end up spending twice the money on the same thing. Which you did cause you can buy the TJM equivalent for $900 shipped to your door.

Why the mention of a Toyota bullbar provokes so much hostility from you and the scientology guy is beyond me, you did afterall buy a Toyota?

I'm not hostile, I'm simpy pointing out that you don't know what you're talking about. Don't make claims that you "KNOW" something when in fact you don't.

I never said anything about lights or a winch and even if the bumper was made by someone else they are still selling it as a Toyota product (moot point), .

It's not a moot point when you dispute this very fact on a previous post and claim that Toyota definitely made it.

As far as locking myself in the house, I guess your implying I am a wimp or something.

I'm not calling you a wimp, I'm saying that if you're that worried about liability all the time, you might as well lock yourself in the house. If you want to spend double the money to get a bullbar that has a Toyota logo on it, that's your right. Go for it. Just don't try to tell people that its "definitely made by Toyota" when you have no proof that is.

 

[greynolds]

Greg, the intention of my post is to gather information from this forum from people who are more knowledgeable regarding Landcruisers than myself, and to share information with others.
Why the mention of a Toyota bullbar provokes so much hostility from you and the scientology guy is beyond me, you did afterall buy a Toyota? I never said anything about lights or a winch and even if the bumper was made by someone else they are still selling it as a Toyota product (moot point), which some people may find value in, particularly if your wife drives the vehicle and is not the best driver. http://autoweb.drive.com.au/cms/A_51151/newsarticle.html
As far as locking myself in the house, I guess your implying I am a wimp or something. Well my primary hobby may not be 4 wheeling, but I do race 20ft beachcats offshore here in Florida, which if you know anything about the worrell 1000 http://www.worrell1000.com/ is not exactly a risk adverse pastime. So stop jamming up my thread.
So for those of you interested Stephen Wallace at pacifictoyota.com.au gave me a break on the bumper due to the high $900.00 DHL shipping, with hardware and bar the total was $1818.00 US, not cheap but not too bad since you don't need to paint or spend another $300.00 on light inserts.

Like I said before, if your concern is liability in an accident, I don't think you're doing anything to protect yourself by importing a Genuine Toyota Accessory that is not available in the United States. Do you really think Toyota USA is going to stand behind you if something goes wrong? There's no way they will as it would be a huge liability problem for them if they did. They're going to look for and take the obvious legal loophole available to them to walk away from the problem.

In which case, you'd be better off purchasing a bar that actually IS imported into the US AND marketed as being air bag compatible. If you go this route, you might actually have some legal ground to stand on if something goes wrong. Oh, and it would cost you a LOT less than $1818.

 

[macneill]

Let the man spend $1818 on his bull bar.

 

[firetruck41]

Let the man spend $1818 on his $900 bull bar.

There, I fixed it for ya!

Was it $1818 plus $900 for shipping? Ouch!

 

[Sean04100]

$1818 including shiping and customs.


From Toyota Australia:

When you choose Toyota Genuine Accessories you're adding even more personality, protection and practicality to your Toyota - tailoring it to your individual lifestyle needs. Toyota Genuine Accessories are designed, tested and manufactured to strict Toyota standards. This quality and reliability is supported with up to a 3 year, 100,000km warranty*. For customised fit, and real peace of mind, keep the feeling 100% Genuine, keep your Toyota all Toyota.

from autoweb:

Both alloy bars utilise Toyota's new Responder bullbar mounting system for optimum occupant safety.
The Toyota-exclusive Responder Mounting System has enabled both bars to meet stringent ADR69 requirements, which cover frontal collision protection.
The Responder's construction is also designed to absorb the optimum amount of energy in a collision, without compromising the vehicle's crash worthiness compliance or airbag deployment.
The Responder Mounting system-equipped Genuine Accessory alloy bullbars have been developed through an extensive vehicle crash test program in cooperation with LandCruiser's vehicle engineers in Japan.
According to Toyota Australia's Rory Macdougall, non-genuine bulibars that claim to be airbag compatible struggle to match Toyota's test and development program.
"Both the Estate and the Cruiser bar have been developed to maintain optimum occupant safety in the event of an accident," Mr Macdougall said.
"We see two distinctive target markets for our airbag-SRS compatible and ADR69 compliant bulibars.


So Greg who is talking out of theyre ass here, show me where you can get a comparable airbag compatible bullbar shipped, without having to paint or add , light inserts, not to mention upgrade the torsion bars for $900.00, and don't say the the tjm T-3 that has had mixed reviews on this board.

 

[macneill]

Sean, as a noobie here, you're swimming upstream.

Most ARB and TJM bars are airbag compatible.

The T-bar modification is personal prefernce and doesn't have to be done.

You like the bar, go ahead and get it. That's your decision.

Most folks here will believe an ARB or TJM is a superior bar at almost half the cost.

 

[hoser]

Just a note: An ARB Sahara bar with foglights come close to $1600 shipped. Rebadged or not, there is something to be said about genuine Toyota parts. I say, the more choices the better. How interesting would this forum be if all 100's were equipped the same?

 

[macneill]

Just dug out my receipts.

TJM T-15: $985

IPF 900: $262

Shipping: $175

Of course the shipping included the winch and winch mount.

Total: $1422

 

[Greg B]

If you stick around this site for a while, you will realize that when people make claims and then don't back them up, they get called on it.

This is talking out your ass:

I thought of that already , these are defintely made by toyota.

This is what you should have posted in the first place:

From Toyota Australia:

When you choose Toyota Genuine Accessories you're adding even more personality, protection and practicality to your Toyota - tailoring it to your individual lifestyle needs. Toyota Genuine Accessories are designed, tested and manufactured to strict Toyota standards. This quality and reliability is supported with up to a 3 year, 100,000km warranty*. For customised fit, and real peace of mind, keep the feeling 100% Genuine, keep your Toyota all Toyota.

from autoweb:

Both alloy bars utilise Toyota's new Responder bullbar mounting system for optimum occupant safety.
The Toyota-exclusive Responder Mounting System has enabled both bars to meet stringent ADR69 requirements, which cover frontal collision protection.
The Responder's construction is also designed to absorb the optimum amount of energy in a collision, without compromising the vehicle's crash worthiness compliance or airbag deployment.
The Responder Mounting system-equipped Genuine Accessory alloy bullbars have been developed through an extensive vehicle crash test program in cooperation with LandCruiser's vehicle engineers in Japan.
According to Toyota Australia's Rory Macdougall, non-genuine bulibars that claim to be airbag compatible struggle to match Toyota's test and development program.
"Both the Estate and the Cruiser bar have been developed to maintain optimum occupant safety in the event of an accident," Mr Macdougall said.
"We see two distinctive target markets for our airbag-SRS compatible and ADR69 compliant bulibars. .