Synthetic Or Not.

[turbocruiser]

I just looked at M1 grease yesterday and didn't see any with moly. So for now, i still use amsoil grease everywhere. I use the same on my driveshafts as i do in the birfs.

Turbo, i hear ya. But i pmed him a month ago. I'm not raggin him out, just saying i wouldn't waste my time trying to get from eric, just go another route. I am sure that eric is busy.

Yikes! I did not realize we were talking a month or more! Maybe I need to ask the fine fellow if he wants to sell the amsoil rights to me!??! Hey between amsoil and leatherique I'd have you well lubed and soft and supple all at the same time!

 

[turbocruiser]

I just looked at M1 grease yesterday and didn't see any with moly. So for now, i still use amsoil grease everywhere. I use the same on my driveshafts as i do in the birfs.

Good to know, I was more or less sure that stuff from Mobil did not have Moly. Sort of a PITA to have to change grease cartridges all the time. Are you saying that some amsoil product is good for both high speed bearings such as wheel bearings as well as lower speed stuff like trunion bearings??? IOW are you using one amsoil product for hte entire rig??? If so I would LOVE to learn the product number for that stuff, it would save so much hassle. Thanks, this is cool!

 

[concretejungle]

Turbo, i'll post back up when i get home with the part # for the grease. I actually need to order a couple more cartridges. Yes, i use the same grease throughout. I really don't see how a grease good enough for wheel bearings would not hold up to a drive shaft and such. So far so good. I'm sure others have a specific grease for each zerk on the truck, but not me.

 

[Lockd97]

AMSOIL Grease #'s

Turbo, i'll post back up when i get home with the part # for the grease. I actually need to order a couple more cartridges. Yes, i use the same grease throughout. I really don't see how a grease good enough for wheel bearings would not hold up to a drive shaft and such. So far so good. I'm sure others have a specific grease for each zerk on the truck, but not me.

Concrete, I used the Amsoil Multi-purpose NLGI #2 (proudct code GLCCR) for the wheel bearings and chassis and the Heavy Duty EP Moly fortified NLGI #2
(porduct code GHDCR) for the birfs.

Are you saying that some amsoil product is good for both high speed bearings such as wheel bearings as well as lower speed stuff like trunion bearings??? IOW are you using one amsoil product for hte entire rig??? If so I would LOVE to learn the product number for that stuff, it would save so much hassle..

Turbo, I used the multipurpose for everything except the birfs.

I am an AMSOIL Dealer and I am here to help any board member out to repay a little back for what I have taken from here!

 

[concretejungle]

Just went out and checked, i have been using the the heavy duty molifortified lithium greast #2. So i'll PM ya Locked97 for a couple cartridges.

 

[Crosslink]

Amsoil

I wouldn't hesitate a moment to use Amsoil. I've used it for 14 years now. I honestly don't think there is anything better. Mobil 1 loses me 1 mpg, though I know it to be a very good product. Amsoil is the only company that I know of that really supports the product with good literature, and ancillary products like oil and air filters, bypass set-ups ,etc...My bypass/remote full-flow is in my ARB up front with Earl's plumbing running back to the motor. Took some time and money, but well worth it!
I have installed Amsoil in a lot of friend's high mileage vehicles as well as a few that I bought used: 2 '87 60's and an '81 40. Never had a problem. Make sure you keep your oil filters changed at proper intervals, though....

Good luck

 

[tiorio]

Concrete, I used the Amsoil Multi-purpose NLGI #2 (proudct code GLCCR) for the wheel bearings and chassis and the Heavy Duty EP Moly fortified NLGI #2
(porduct code GHDCR) for the birfs.

Turbo, I used the multipurpose for everything except the birfs.

I am an AMSOIL Dealer and I am here to help any board member out to repay a little back for what I have taken from here!

Great. I just ordered a bunch of the exact same for my front axle service and NOW you tell me you're a dealer...oh well, sythetics are like crack. Once you get a taste you keep coming back!

 

[tiorio]

Oh, BTW...anyone care to comment on the Redline vs. Amsoil vs. Mobil1 subject?

 

[turbocruiser]

Concrete, I used the Amsoil Multi-purpose NLGI #2 (proudct code GLCCR) for the wheel bearings and chassis and the Heavy Duty EP Moly fortified NLGI #2
(porduct code GHDCR) for the birfs.



Turbo, I used the multipurpose for everything except the birfs.

I am an AMSOIL Dealer and I am here to help any board member out to repay a little back for what I have taken from here!

Good to know, I'll PM ya. Thanks! Out of curiousity, if both are NLGI 2 why cant you use the HD EP Moly fortified everywhere? Thanks again!

 

[concretejungle]

By the way, christo told me that's the grease they use.

 

[reffug]

Oh, BTW...anyone care to comment on the Redline vs. Amsoil vs. Mobil1 subject?

Hell why not just start a thread, do a search, or hell just wait for the cows to come home.

 

[cruiserdan]

Here is my take on synthetics ( like anybody cared )

If one is an anal-retentive person when it comes to replacement intervals, synthetics accomplish nothing more than a more rapid depletion of one's billfold.

Unless you operate your vehicle in Death Valley in the summer or Fairbanks in the winter I see NO benefit from synthetics over high quality Dino lubricants.

 

[Girlslovedirt]

Here is my take on synthetics ( like anybody cared )

If one is an anal-retentive person when it comes to replacement intervals, synthetics accomplish nothing more than a more rapid depletion of one's billfold.

Unless you operate your vehicle in Death Valley in the summer or Fairbanks in the winter I see NO benefit from synthetics over high quality Dino lubricants.

what is your choice for a "high quality dino lubricant " ?

 

[reffug]

Here is my take on synthetics ( like anybody cared )

I see NO benefit from synthetics over high quality Dino lubricants.

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Cary????????

Anybody????

And Dats all I have to say about dat, cause I need this guy. Dammit

 

[cruiserdan]

what is your choice for a "high quality dino lubricant " ?

I prefer Valvoline for the most part. I use 129 10w-30 All-climate in the winter and 141(?) 15w-40 All-fleet in the summer. I use 985 molly for the birfs, 820 and 831 75-90 and 80-90 for the axles and transfer, 353 Dexron III and Pennzoil 7771 wheel bearing grease.

I have been a Valvoline user for 30 + years and I have zero complaints. Cary has indicated that Chevron dino based oils, particularly Delo 15w-40, are very good products.

Neglect seems to play a larger part than the type of lubricants chosen. Synthetics tend to survive neglect much better than dinos do.

Extreme ambient temperature operation on either end of the spectrum is where synthetics would make sense to me and to my maintainence schedule.

D-

 

[cary]

-B-?????????

Cary????????

Anybody????

And Dats all I have to say about dat, cause I need this guy. Dammit

Boy, I get stuck filing Oppositions to Exparte Injuctions and prepping for trial and all hell brakes loose. Thank goodness for Internet access in the hotel I am at.

To respond to C-Dan's comments (I better be careful or no more parts for me), the primary benifits of synthetics are as follows:

1) Superior flow in extremely cold weather conditions,
2) Better protection at the high temperature limits,
3) Ability to formulate wide spread oils that can be run year round without varnishing, sludging, or other problems. (i.e. Mobil 1 0w-40)
4) Longer change intervals.

#1 is important for those that live in climates with weather that regularly gets bellow 0F. For the rest of us it doesn't matter.

#2 is important for turbocharged cars (oil cools turbo bearings), track cars, or cars run under extreme circumstances.

#3 is important for everyone, but few if any mineral oils have these problems anymore. It becomes and issue if you follow longer change intervals.

#4 Synthetics are able to provide low wear for longer change intervals than Mineral oils and represent a financial and enviromental savings when run longer.

So most of what C-dan says is true. I have said before on this board, if you are going to change your oil every 3000-5000 miles, use a good mineral oil and don't waste your money on Synthetics. If you don't want to screw around with changing all the time, use a good synthetic (I.e. Mobil 1 0w-40, or consider the new Mobil 1 10w-40 EP) and run for 7500-10,000 mile intervals, or the new EP can be run to 15,000 miles.

If anyone wants more info, do a search, we have covered weights, brands, wear numbers, and everything else in the past. One day I will finish the oil faq. In the mean while, I have to go to bed, I have a trial in the morning.

Cary

 

[Jim_Chow]

I wouldn't hesitate a moment to use Amsoil. I've used it for 14 years now. I honestly don't think there is anything better. Mobil 1 loses me 1 mpg, though I know it to be a very good product. Amsoil is the only company that I know of that really supports the product with good literature, and ancillary products like oil and air filters, bypass set-ups ,etc...My bypass/remote full-flow is in my ARB up front with Earl's plumbing running back to the motor. Took some time and money, but well worth it!
I have installed Amsoil in a lot of friend's high mileage vehicles as well as a few that I bought used: 2 '87 60's and an '81 40. Never had a problem. Make sure you keep your oil filters changed at proper intervals, though....

Good luck

Hmm. I also got a drop in fuel economy (by 5%) w/ M1. This was after switching from Delvac 1 5w40 and Rotella T syn 5w40 to M1 10w30 by itself and M1 10w30 w/ a little M1 15w50 added. That's one reason why I don't use M1 anymore. The 10w30 also seemed pretty thin in comparison to the D1. I mostly use synthetic since it gets hot here in Arizona. Ditto w/ trannies, diffs, etc. Like CDan, up until 140K mi, I used mostly Valvoline (sometimes Penzoil or Q-state). If I were to go back to dino, I'd probably go w/ Chevron delo or Mobil delvac 1300.

 

[Lockd97]

I think Cary sums up my opinions of Dino vs. Synthetic very well. For myself synthetic has performed very well for what I do and the time I have. I verified the results for myself when I tore down my 86' 22RTEC with 450,000 AND original Turbo. No sludge in the motor or the oil lines to the turbo. Toyota had problems with the oil feed line clogging up (coking) and frying the bearings on the turbo.

My .02