Are you the pot or the kettle today?
Simple question for you:
Has anyone, anywhere in the world ever managed to get 70mpg from a vehicle powered by a 350 chev?
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Are you the pot or the kettle today?
Simple question for you:
Has anyone, anywhere in the world ever managed to get 70mpg from a vehicle powered by a 350 chev?
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Even if he was creating 6 litres per minute of gas, he's doing that using engine power (which is generated by burning more petrol, so you're already using more than 4 litres per hour).
Seriously, if you believe that 74mpg claim then have I got some stuff to sell you.
Dougal, i really enjoy hearing about alternative fuels and ideas, i understand if a lot of this information seems to be written by scam artists or liars to you that it would be insulting and frustrating that people would print or believe it. Im fine with fairy tale snake oil engine advice once in a while, i dont buy everything someone trys to sell me but i do take things into consideration.
What im trying to get at is alot of us want to hear more about these "impossible devices" but there is so much negative talk here that it just doesnt foster any idea sharing. Im not asking you to not speak your mind, but we are in a alternative fuel section and there is a lot more negative feedback than is helpful at this point. I wouldnt go to a chiropractor convention and tell them all that they are not real doctors and dont really do anything based on my experience. I ask you to look up some of the water driven motors online, there was even a kiwi who is running a motorcycle on water in aukland and a aussie who aparently has a water powered car on youtube, maybe its all crap but i still enjoyed the stories, you should check a few of them out even if they are against everything else that you learned so far.
Cheers!
Actually, i was in NZ for 7 months and one thing i really liked about the kiwis was how they felt proud of their ingenuity and how they were able to think outside of the box and come up with incredible ways of fixing or building things. I think youve probally seen anthony hopkins in the worlds fastest indian so im quite sure you know what im talking about. Of all the people to down talk or invest time in arguing with alternative ideas and any sort of backyard ingenuity, i wouldnt think it would be a kiwi. An engineer maybe.
What im trying to get at is alot of us want to hear more about these "impossible devices" but there is so much negative talk here that it just doesnt foster any idea sharing. Im not asking you to not speak your mind, but we are in a alternative fuel section and there is a lot more negative feedback than is helpful at this point. I wouldnt go to a chiropractor convention and tell them all that they are not real doctors and dont really do anything based on my experience. I ask you to look up some of the water driven motors online, there was even a kiwi who is running a motorcycle on water in aukland and a aussie who aparently has a water powered car on youtube, maybe its all crap but i still enjoyed the stories, you should check a few of them out even if they are against everything else that you learned so far.
Cheers!
Actually, i was in NZ for 7 months and one thing i really liked about the kiwis was how they felt proud of their ingenuity and how they were able to think outside of the box and come up with incredible ways of fixing or building things. I think youve probally seen anthony hopkins in the worlds fastest indian so im quite sure you know what im talking about. Of all the people to down talk or invest time in arguing with alternative ideas and any sort of backyard ingenuity, i wouldnt think it would be a kiwi. An engineer maybe.
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Thanks but I have checked most of them out.
The kiwi who claimed to have a motorbike running on water, had it put on a dyno and exhaust gas analyser by some journalists.
The exhaust was emitting carbon dioxide in exactly the same quantities as if it were running on petrol.
The guy got his 15 minutes of fame on TV, but yes it was a scam.
I'm all for alternative fuels, I think the future is high compression diesel cycle engines running on ethanol. Scania already have them, they burn clean, efficiency is as good or better than an equivalent diesel engine and it can be brewed from a multitude of sources.
I've viewed many of the youtube videos (though there are many more that I haven't seen) and the claims made are not true.
Unfortunately the most entertaining stories are seldom true and the true stories are seldom the most entertaining.
Go to a website like gassavers.org where the guys track their MPG as accurately as possible and mod their cars to get the best possible fuel economy. There are plenty of threads on HHO generators there, none of them ending with the results that are claimed by others who aren't as meticulous with their fuel consumption figures.
I know of another guy trialling a gas generator, no difference in fuel economy with the first results he posted.
I'd love to be proved wrong on the 74mpg 350chev, because that fuel economy is impossible every way you cut it. Stick it on a dyno with an independent operator and witness and show me otherwise.
As for negativity, why single me out? There are a good 6 pages of it before I chimed in.
We kiwis are heavily against fraud, there's nothing ingenious about scamming people in a poor financial situation by exploiting their biggest cost. That is the sole purpose that these devices serve.
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There is not allot of scamming if you build your own. Unless its like a time waster scam. In that case I have been scammed alot. Shoot I read this damn web site like every day. DOH!
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Data for comparison with correctly tuned diesel burning veg oil blend
1989 3.4L 13BT
RPM 800
HC 10 ppm
CO 0.03 %
CO2 1.6 %
O2 18.9 %
RPM 2000
HC 8 ppm
CO 0.04 %
CO2 1.8 %
O2 18.6 %
exhaust opacity 1%
Fuel mix 20% canolaVO, 10% JetB, 70% ULSD, 0.5% acetone & turpentine
The VO and stale JetB are free.
Solid 30% savings, No H2 generator required.
1989 3.4L 13BT
RPM 800
HC 10 ppm
CO 0.03 %
CO2 1.6 %
O2 18.9 %
RPM 2000
HC 8 ppm
CO 0.04 %
CO2 1.8 %
O2 18.6 %
exhaust opacity 1%
Fuel mix 20% canolaVO, 10% JetB, 70% ULSD, 0.5% acetone & turpentine
The VO and stale JetB are free.
Solid 30% savings, No H2 generator required.
So you add the jet fuel in smaller quantities because it doesn't have the lubricants?
I've heard people planning to run it, but haven't yet me someone who does.
This is true.
But the outlandish claims on other forums I visit have been from vendors. I haven't come across anyone who's built a system for next to nothing and acheived the intended result.
There's been a lot of "build the generator yourself, then buy this box of tricks from me so it runs properly".
Reading back through this one, how is Powderhound getting on?
if you havent come across anyone with success, how many people have you come across who havent had success? Firsthand?I dont know anyone personally with or without success, but with all the talk these days im debating trying this out just to see for myself. I think everyone has heard claims of people being threatened by oil companies, or who had their patents and work bought only to have all the information destroyed. Kind of like the stories about the super efficient carburetors built in the 60's or 70's that were bought out and and every working model flattened. It would be pretty easy for a backyard scientist to make some false claims, but it would also be easy for a multi billion industry to pay off "independant trials" or the media. There is so much BS in this end of the world these days i dont trust much of the media or politics anymore. Just look at the medical system, it hasnt focused on health or finding cures for a long long time, just making expensive medications which you have to take forever.
Well, just a quick update on my system. I've updated the magdrive 11a system to the new configuration. The resovoir tank is now the a-trap and I've eliminated the weak link solenoid and the reso pump. I've also put the whole system in an aluminum tool case so I can switch it from vehicle to vehicle with just two pos wires, one ground and the output hose. Looks pretty stealth, just wouldn't want to go through airport security with it as it looks like some type of bomb in the aluminum toolcase.
I was having some difficulty getting the brick to produce anything and sometimes nothing at all, couldn't figure out what I was doing wrong for a while, then the other day, I disassembled the whole thing and the wires, also eliminated the hho booster pump(was putting too much vacuum on the system since it is now sealed) Also changed out the vinegar with new. Fixed the problem. Now it works better than ever as far as producing fine milky white bubbles with positive pressure output that form a spiral stream of bubbles into the reso.
An 84 VW Vanagon(not westy) came into my posession recently, so I'm going to install the system in that. It gets 23-25 mpg on the hwy and 19 in town and it's fuel injected. I'm doing some baseline mpg numbers on the vw with Ethos fuel additive before I install the hho kit. Will also use the same Xado ceramic engine coating that seemed to bring the old cruiser back to life and get some numbers on that as well. I'm shooting for 28-30 mpg in the vanagon for mpg with the hho kit installed.
I'll have some pics of the new set-up soon.
I've had quite a bit of inquireys on my system outside of this posting through my pm, so I think there are quite a few folks out there that will have some different experiences to share soon hopefully.
later,
j.
Magdrive 11a to go
Here is the latest set-up pics. It can be moved from one vehicle to another with three wires and the output hose to the intake plenum for testing on different vehicles without having to mount everything inside the engine compartment.
Here is the latest set-up pics. It can be moved from one vehicle to another with three wires and the output hose to the intake plenum for testing on different vehicles without having to mount everything inside the engine compartment.
That is a great idea. Too bad you didn't have an old violin case. Then you could make like a gangsta.
I'm looking forward to your numbers.
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I'm looking forward to your numbers.
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just imagine trying to get on a plane with that....looks good tho, interested to hear how you make out...
JetA is kerosene, JetB is kerosene plus naphtha [aka white gas]
I keep the naphtha percent low in the warm summer temperatures because it's volatile. Too much can cause vapor lock in the diesel fuel system. The clean dry VO provides all the lubricity the mix needs.
Popular Mechanics did some testing.
Water Car Test - HHO Shows Why You Can't Run Cars on Water - Popular Mechanics
Water Car Test - HHO Shows Why You Can't Run Cars on Water - Popular Mechanics
Hey I thought of something related to this yesterday while recharging my batteries... you have to take the cap off to release all that hydrogen when charging it... does it not also produce hydrogen when being charged by the alternator? If so why not just vent that straight from your batteries and into your air intake? Vroom!!
