Sunroof and Headliner removed pictures

[Dr Gil]

I have a 96 FJ 80 with a sunroof. I'm trying to track down a leak. Been through all the posts and multiple suggestions from the group. Only thing I haven't tried yet is removing the headliner and looking for the active leak.

Does anyone have pictures of their headliner removed (that also has a sunroof)?
I need a picture of the windshield-roof-A Pillar junction without the headliner on.
Perhaps I can visualize where that leak is before removing my headliner in the winter.
Can anyone help here?

 

[NeverFinis]

Hope this helps. As you can see, there are drains running down the A-pillars. The sunroof is designed for a non perfect seal.

 

[Dr Gil]

Thank you so much for those pics. It was exactly what I was looking for. Yes, I know the sunroof is designed to leak into the tray and drains. I just can't figure it out. The drains are completely clear and clean. The outside of the sunroof is completely taped up. The windshield installer insists the new windshield and OEM gasket is not the problem. Yet, I have a water leak only on the left side when making a left turn.

I was hoping that a visual of where else it could leak would help.

 

[ERG80]

Thank you so much for those pics. It was exactly what I was looking for. Yes, I know the sunroof is designed to leak into the tray and drains. I just can't figure it out. The drains are completely clear and clean. The outside of the sunroof is completely taped up. The windshield installer insists the new windshield and OEM gasket is not the problem. Yet, I have a water leak only on the left side when making a left turn.

I was hoping that a visual of where else it could leak would help.

Did the leak start after your new windshield was installed? If so, I would verify the installer used a brand new seal and sealant as specified by the fsm when installing the new windshield.

 

[Dr Gil]

No the leak was there before, that is why I got the windshield and gasket replaced. Yes, everything as per FSM.

 

[NeverFinis]

Where exactly is the wetness appearing?

If it was the sunroof, I would think it would leak on the right side when you turn left...

 

[Dr Gil]

I'm 99.9% confident, it's not the sunroof or clogged drains.
It leaks at the windshield gasket junction to the headliner, right above the steering wheel. I can see a blue paint stain
on my light gray headliner.

 

[NeverFinis]

If your windshield isn't sealed properly, this cavity might collect water from a leak far from where the water is appearing.

I would put the passenger side of the vehicle on ramps, and then use a hose to gently run water at the top of the windshield trim (avoid the sunroof).

 

[Dr Gil]

If your windshield isn't sealed properly, this cavity might collect water from a leak far from where the water is appearing.

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I would put the passenger side of the vehicle on ramps, and then use a hose to gently run water at the top of the windshield trim (avoid the sunroof).

As per the professional installer, he says he is sure the windshield and gasket are not leaking there.
How would raising up the vehicle diagnosis where the water leak is coming from? If see water dripping (avoiding the sunroof) I still
don't know how it's getting inside the cabin.

 

[NeverFinis]

You said the water appears when turning left.

Lifting one side of the vehicle will allow the water to flow from where ever it is accumulating internally. I think it is better to put the ramps on the left to mimic a left hand turn.

I mean, it isn't unheard of for an installer making a mistake...

 

[ERG80]

I'm 99.9% confident, it's not the sunroof or clogged drains.
It leaks at the windshield gasket junction to the headliner, right above the steering wheel. I can a blue paint stain
on my light gray headliner.

I have a very small leak directly above my steering wheel. The body shop who installed the windshield did not apply sealant when they installed the new seal. If it’s not the sunroof or drains the most likely source seems like the windshield seal.

If it’s not the seal please be sure to update this thread when you figure it out and I’ll check that on my cruiser too.

 

[FIDO96]

I chased a leak. Started as soon as I had the windshield installed. Drive on the highway and have someone in the passenger seat gently press against the glass along the edges. At 50+mph, any improper seal will hiss. The installer insisted he did it right. I made him ride with me. He said he’d install it again for $100. I taped the FSM pages to the glass. It’s now super quiet and no leaks. They don’t want to use primer or sealant. It makes taking it out more difficult if they **** it up the first time.

 

[lumbee1]

I had a leak around my windshield. After many years and wet floors I finally took it to the recommended shop. It took 3 tries for them to get it right.

Another item to consider is the plastic tabs in the corner of the sunroof tray. Those can warp from age and heat and allow water underneath them.

 

[BILT4ME]

My windshield leaks. It is directly above the steering wheel and when I turn hard left, it runs out of the seal and dribbles down onto the steering wheel and onto the gearshift.

If you get under the dash, you most likely have a leak drooling on top of the electronics on the left kickpanel (behind it, up high) and your floorboard will be wet.

This is a bad seal on the windshield.

Mine leaks because the PO had a shytty installer do the work and they scored around the old glass when pulling it out and scratched the paint, causing the perimeter of my windshield frame to rust. I now have significant corrosion around it.

I'm preparing to take it to a body shop and paying $2500 to pull the windshield, cut out the rust, weld in new material, rust converter, epoxy primer and paint the entire frame, hood, and cowl up past the sunroof, and replace with a new windshield. I will supply the Toyota seal, a new hood, new hood seals, and I will remove the headliner, sunroof, and all windshield trim to they can do all necessary short of removing the dash.

The installer didn't do it right. He didn't use sealer between the glass and seal AND the seal and frame. The instructions in the FSM are crystal F'n clear on how it has to be done. If not, it WILL leak. They will ALWAYS tell you they know what they are doing and do it every day.

Make THEM tape off the sunroof, use a garden hose from the top and pour it over the windshield when the nose of the truck is pointing down, and it will seep in behind the gasket at the top left of the windshield.

They're full of shyt and trying to make you think you're crazy.

Be the biggest pain in this guy's ass you can possibly be until it's done right.

I've had two shops tell me to pound sand because I told them how it needs to be done and they refused. F them. I make sure that everyone in our local clubs know what glass shops NOT to go to.

Print off the pages in the FSM and take them to him and walk through STEP BY STEP what he did and didn't do. Have the actual person that did the install stand there and watch him while you go through this. Body language will tell the story.

 

[BILT4ME]

As per the professional installer, he says he is sure the windshield and gasket are not leaking there.
How would raising up the vehicle diagnosis where the water leak is coming from? If see water dripping (avoiding the sunroof) I still
don't know how it's getting inside the cabin.

See my message above.

 

[Dr Gil]

My windshield leaks. It is directly above the steering wheel and when I turn hard left, it runs out of the seal and dribbles down onto the steering wheel and onto the gearshift.

If you get under the dash, you most likely have a leak drooling on top of the electronics on the left kickpanel (behind it, up high) and your floorboard will be wet.

This is a bad seal on the windshield.

Mine leaks because the PO had a shytty installer do the work and they scored around the old glass when pulling it out and scratched the paint, causing the perimeter of my windshield frame to rust. I now have significant corrosion around it.

I'm preparing to take it to a body shop and paying $2500 to pull the windshield, cut out the rust, weld in new material, rust converter, epoxy primer and paint the entire frame, hood, and cowl up past the sunroof, and replace with a new windshield. I will supply the Toyota seal, a new hood, new hood seals, and I will remove the headliner, sunroof, and all windshield trim to they can do all necessary short of removing the dash.

The installer didn't do it right. He didn't use sealer between the glass and seal AND the seal and frame. The instructions in the FSM are crystal F'n clear on how it has to be done. If not, it WILL leak. They will ALWAYS tell you they know what they are doing and do it every day.

Make THEM tape off the sunroof, use a garden hose from the top and pour it over the windshield when the nose of the truck is pointing down, and it will seep in behind the gasket at the top left of the windshield.

They're full of shyt and trying to make you think you're crazy.

Be the biggest pain in this guy's ass you can possibly be until it's done right.

I've had two shops tell me to pound sand because I told them how it needs to be done and they refused. F them. I make sure that everyone in our local clubs know what glass shops NOT to go to.

Print off the pages in the FSM and take them to him and walk through STEP BY STEP what he did and didn't do. Have the actual person that did the install stand there and watch him while you go through this. Body language will tell the story.

You are right, It still could be the installation process. As the customer, I can only believe what they are telling me. I got windshield replaced because I ruled out the sunroof so it could only be the windshield. I printed out the FSM, ordered the OEM gasket myself and confirmed and reconfirmed they would follow the FSM instructions verbatim. I suppose I could try another shop, but I'm also taking the same chance.

 

[BILT4ME]

You are right, It still could be the installation process. As the customer, I can only believe what they are telling me. I got windshield replaced because I ruled out the sunroof so it could only be the windshield. I printed out the FSM, ordered the OEM gasket myself and confirmed and reconfirmed they would follow the FSM instructions verbatim. I suppose I could try another shop, but I'm also taking the same chance.

Don't introduce another shop. That just creates more doubt.

Place the onus of it's NOT leaking on the shop.

They must PROVE beyond a reasonable doubt it's not the windshield.

There is a story on here about one guy that went back and forth with a shop (that was actually reasonable to deal with) and it took them 5 tries to find the leak.

Dry out the truck using fans and heat and keep it inside the building.
Close it up.
Seal the sunroof with tape.
Remove the driver's seat for better access.
Hose the windshield from multiple angles. It doesn't have to be a heavy stream, if fact it's better if it's a trickle.

This will take multiple people and procedures on how to figure it out.

Offer to help.

If not, tell him your attorney can fix it.

 

[devo]

Which FoCo shop did you use? I’m planning a new windshield later in the summer.

 

[Dr Gil]

Which FoCo shop did you use? I’m planning a new windshield later in the summer.

I used this place
www.nocotint.com
NoCo Tint & AutoGlass - Loveland, Colorado - http://www.nocotint.com/

 

[effjay80]

There are some well versed 80 guys at NOVUS down on South College. Or at least were...