Some beginner questions.

[LCFan]

I was suprised to read that the 70 has more rear seat leg room than the longer wheelbase 73/74. We don't have any kids, but it would still be nice to have the option of having people in the back on occasion.... is it the rear seat legroom that bad in the 73/74?
From what I've been reading, it seems like the HZ might be a better bet for me with regards to power. It seems like the naturally asiprated 3B might be a bit too slow from the comments posted so far. As long as the HZ is as well built and reliable as the 3B, then I hope to be ok.

Is the BEB issue on the HZ only a problem if I'm deciding to turbo the engine? Or is this something that will fail even if I leave the engine stock?
I'm leaning toward the HZJ73, but I'm uneasy with the idea of this truck having a light duty front end... what will this mean to me, practically speaking? I don't have much experience with this kind of thing, would someone be able to explain it in basic terms?
Thanks,

Paul

 

[Eric Winkworth]

Toyota designed the BEBs on 1H# engines to fail??? Not likely. Apparently they went to tin/Al bearing composition over the traditional Copper/Lead for environmental reasons, something to do with lead getting into the oil. It has nothing to do with the size of the bearings.

The 6cyl 1HZ does not necessarily burn more fuel. I have been driving stock 242k km HZJ77 w/ roof cage for the last month and despite the massive increase in cargo space, roof rack and extra grunt that allows it to hold 8% hills at 90kmph, it gets the same or better fuel economy than the 86 BJ70 I drove for nearly 10 years. My last tank of fuel went 700km on a 78liter fill and that was mixed hiway and city. It also starts much easier on cold mornings, 1 cycle of the glow and just touch the starter and it is running, and no sputtering or major smoke. The 4 wheel discs are also a nice touch, it stops very well.
I am very impressed with it overall.

Sheldon

A sputtering smoking engine usally has litte to do with the engine, more to do with injector condition and glow plug condition. Thats the main reason I said to check the exhaust pipe to see if it was already hot, most of the smoking it is gonna do will be in the first 5 or 10 sec, well hopefully.

And just so you know, my 3B starts just like that, as soon as I see the glowplug light go off, the slightest turn and shes alive, but then again she did have new injectors and glow plugs 10 000kms ago, made a world of difference!

As for the light duty front end, I wouldn't think much about unless you wanna do some snowplowing!

 

[crushers]

I was suprised to read that the 70 has more rear seat leg room than the longer wheelbase 73/74. We don't have any kids, but it would still be nice to have the option of having people in the back on occasion.... is it the rear seat legroom that bad in the 73/74?
From what I've been reading, it seems like the HZ might be a better bet for me with regards to power. It seems like the naturally asiprated 3B might be a bit too slow from the comments posted so far. As long as the HZ is as well built and reliable as the 3B, then I hope to be ok.

Is the BEB issue on the HZ only a problem if I'm deciding to turbo the engine? Or is this something that will fail even if I leave the engine stock?
I'm leaning toward the HZJ73, but I'm uneasy with the idea of this truck having a light duty front end... what will this mean to me, practically speaking? I don't have much experience with this kind of thing, would someone be able to explain it in basic terms?
Thanks,

Paul

what i did was install a set of 4 old style 40 series rear seats in the back mounted to the wall. this gave me full usuable space in the back when folded up and seating for 6 total when folded down. it really gives the interior an out back look to it.
the front end is pretty close to the 80 series (the center unit swaps right in) so it really isn't THAT light duty. i have rebuilt and replaced enough "heavy duty" front ends over the years to know it is more a matter of maintainence than anything else that will grenade the front ends that and big tires, lockers and a heavy foot.
HTHs
cheers

 

[Stone]

Eric: I for one am confident that Sheldon knows what he's talking about. LOL.

 

[tlcruiserman]

Here is my 2 cents. I have been driving the 70 series as well as 74 series for quite a while now. I also have had many wagons of all makes and models.

If you want a short wheel base cruiser (like the 40 series) then I would recomend a 70 series, it will wheel very close to the 40 and have a little better cargo management inside. I thought when I got my 74 series that it would be the best of all worlds, short yet a little longer but what I found is that extra 12" or so made it handle more like a wagon than a short wheel base. Now it is cool to have the back seat but also I can tell you that when I got my 74 series I found that back seat had less room than the 70 series for using the back seat, way more room for cargo in the rear. The biggest thing I do not like about the 70 serie is if you need to use the back seat it really is a PITA both 70 and 74 compared to a wagon, wagon being a 60, 61, 62, 80, or 100 series. Now if you really want the use of back seat then go with one of the wagons they all wheel great, if you don't like the width then go with a PZJ77 or HZJ77 then you truely have the width of the 7x series and 4 doors like wagon, the best if you want to wheel and use the back seat.

If you really don't care about the back seat use every day maybe once in a while then I would say go with the 70 series. When it comes to what engine I can tell you that I really do like my turbo'd 3B's over the 13BT if I had to choose, don't get me wrong the 13BT is a great engine more power than stock 3B, If I have my pick I choose to go with a bigger diesel to start. 1HZ or 1PZ are great options they have more power to than the 4's and they are without turbo, then if you feel you need more power just add a turbo, also they run smoother. So I would say possible go with HZJ70 or PZJ70.

Just my 2 cents.

Cheers,

Michael

 

[wesintl]

I think you should start out with a rusty high milage cdn bj70.... After that everything will seem like a dream and you won't have these beginner issues.. LOL ;p

 

[Greg_B]

I was suprised to read that the 70 has more rear seat leg room than the longer wheelbase 73/74. We don't have any kids, but it would still be nice to have the option of having people in the back on occasion.... is it the rear seat legroom that bad in the 73/74?Paul

It's workable, but your mind has to be in the right place...Think Zen.

From what I've been reading, it seems like the HZ might be a better bet for me with regards to power. It seems like the naturally asiprated 3B might be a bit too slow from the comments posted so far. As long as the HZ is as well built and reliable as the 3B, then I hope to be ok.

There are people in either camp. I've read long ago some chatter in Oz about breaking the crankshaft and other sundry bits if you hop it up lots, but for moderate boost...I would do and run it.

Is the BEB issue on the HZ only a problem if I'm deciding to turbo the engine? Or is this something that will fail even if I leave the engine stock? I'm leaning toward the HZJ73, but I'm uneasy with the idea of this truck having a light duty front end... what will this mean to me, practically speaking? I don't have much experience with this kind of thing, would someone be able to explain it in basic terms? Thanks, Paul

As Sheldon said, the BEB's are a tin/alum composition. Chatter is the early batchs would start delaminating in 1HD-T's. The exact same bearings are used in the 1HZ (in fact it is the same crank too). The HD-T has low compression pistons, as opposed to the IDI 1HZ which has high compression pistons. Weither is it the sharper impact of the turbo charged DI engine or not, it seems to be the HD-T that show this problem. I have seen delamination on turbo'd HZ motors. Due to the bearing composition being the same, interpolation suggests the issue is real for the 1HZ too...if turbo'd and increasing the operating pressures. ACL's are the copper/zinc composition, and are what many people switch to. Toyota says they have changed the BEB's, however they are still tin/alum. Occationally I've heard of some later ones showing issues too.

Here is a link talking about the issue.

http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/80bigend.htm

Hit the 80 series list and ask for unbiased and real world experiences of the 8" reverse cut vs the standard HD LandCruiser R&P.

Hmmmm, what about an HZJ77 with cable locked axles from a 7* series, and HD-T swapped in...

Now out to mow the lawn...hopefully for the last time this year!

hth's

gb

 

[Greg_B]

I thought when I got my 74 series that it would be the best of all worlds, short yet a little longer but what I found is that extra 12" or so made it handle more like a wagon than a short wheel base. Cheers,Michael

Interesting. It really is in the eye of the beholder eh? Between my BJ42, BJ74, and BJ60...I do not find the 74 wheels like a wagon at all. Don't turn as tight as the 42....that's for sure.

hth's

gb

 

[crushers]

I have seen delamination on turbo'd HZ motors. Due to the bearing composition being the same, interpolation suggests the issue is real for the 1HZ too...if turbo'd and increasing the operating pressures. ACL's are the copper/zinc composition, and are what many people switch to. Toyota says they have changed the BEB's, however they are still tin/alum. Occationally I've heard of some later ones showing issues too.

Hit the 80 series list and ask for unbiased and real world experiences of the 8" reverse cut vs the standard HD LandCruiser R&P.

Hmmmm, what about an HZJ77 with cable locked axles from a 7* series, and HD-T swapped in...

no matter which engine you are running i would suggest doing the BEBs to be safe.
personally if you are running the 1HZ then just add a turbo and be done with it, why yank a perfectly good engine that produces more HP (when turbo'd properly) than a HDT (and without the lurching) with a standard behind it?
also i would run the reverse cut front diff until it broke and then make up my mind as to whether it is worth the hassle of changing it out for the "heavy" duty front end (if it isn't broke then don't fix it).
elec lockers are fine till the wiring screws up
cable lockers are fine till the cables rust
cheers

 

[crushers]

Interesting. It really is in the eye of the beholder eh? Between my BJ42, BJ74, and BJ60...I do not find the 74 wheels like a wagon at all. Don't turn as tight as the 42....that's for sure.

hth's

gb

i found the 74 wheelbase perfect for wheeling around this part of the country. the 70 was a bit choppy and the wagon had too much break over angle and tail dragging...

 

[Greg_B]

I think you should start out with a rusty high milage cdn bj70.... After that everything will seem like a dream and you won't have these beginner issues.. LOL ;p

Ain't that the truth

Hey, was that you pimping the ARB front bumper in the 7* bumper thread? Go chrome or go home baby....

g(says the one who has one chrome lugnut per wheel on his BJ42)b

 

[Greg_B]

if you are running the 1HZ then just add a turbo and be done with it, why yank a perfectly good engine that produces more HP (when turbo'd properly) than a HDT (and without the lurching) with a standard behind it?cheers

Wayne Wayne Wayne. We've come full circle again, to the conversation that discusses IDI vs DI design differences, the advantages and disadvantages of both, and tried to present the idea to discuss apples with apples and oranges with oranges. Do I need to dredge that thread up again?

My head hurts.

Ya...I know we think different on a few things. I add leaves, and you remove them, however every time you ride in one of my vehicles you comment on how nice the ride is...and I can carry a load too!

gb

 

[crushers]

Greg,
my friend, we differ on a lot of things but that is what keeps life interesting.
you study till it hurts and i just go do it and if it doesn't work then i post "don't do this".
you drive beautiful trucks and i drive beaters.
you go bigger and i go smaller
you have a lot of knowledge and i am loosing what little i ever had.

i know this is going to be hard to believe but i respect all that i hear from you even though i might not agree.

i also know that you would never rip anyone off or intentionally mislead anyone in the comunity.

in the end we just agree to disagree, the same as some others on this forum.

anyway, if we were all perfect then we all would be driving turbo'd PZJ75s
;^)

cheers and peace

 

[lowenbrau]

Its hilarious that two of the guys who have some of the best access to the coolest Cruiser configurations still can't find nirvana. By now surely one of you would have said "I've found the ultimate Cruiser! This one does everything."

I'm grinning because I know that you have to build a Cruiser to make it perfect for you. I love doing that. Some of these little (and not so little) problems that each model has have to be messaged out. Sometimes the aftermarket solves them ( I.e. a suspension kit and tires) sometimes its other Toyota parts (IE a 13BT in a BJ42) sometimes its another brand (dare I say SBC?). Owners have to find their own level of personalization and I'm so very glad that no one has found the perfect combo yet.

I've been struggling with what to do about an expedition rig and since no one is able to bring a decent 75 series troopie to me I think I'll make my own. I found a mine truck and I'm gonna stretch my BJ70 to fit the frame. I'll do a pop top like expedition campers does but I'm adding 2 small doors for better access to the back. Maybe the ultimate troopie? I dunno, time will tell. Not too much time though. I plan to take it to Alaska in July 06.

 

[crushers]

how about a pop top 77?

 

[lowenbrau]

What kind of 77?

 

[crushers]

PZ HZ either or...
there are a couple going through the auction tonight with undetermined km on them... i not interested but you might have a project truck sitting right there...
zip disc and some fiberglass forming and you are ready for the highway...
cheers

 

[Ratpuke]

as for the BJ73, i am glad you are happy but you do not come across as the type to spell out any concerns you might have with a rig.

i thought Bruce was building a manifold to turbo that truck?

Not to my knowledge. A turbo is nice, just not a necessity.

I bet Bruce thinks differently than you about my aptness to point out concerns with a rig as he's heard my list of complaints with each of my cruisers They may not all be everyone's idea of a perfect rig, but I like them and that's all that matters.

 

[crushers]

isn't this what it all is about? being happy with what you have created?
it would be a boring world if we all drove the same trucks...

 

[Greg_B]

LCFan...

I hope this exercise at least has helped you somewhat.

gb