Is @ryanCA always this elitist or was this a front to make a point here? I found his comments quite negative. There are multiple vehicles for multiple use cases and Porsche Boxters are excellent vehicles for the use case they are targeted for. These are light, nimble, mid engine and supremely fun vehicles. So is a Cayman for that matter. So is a 250 for the use case they are made for. Someone who is going to be using the rig purely on the city streets will likely enjoy the 250. And someone who is really going to offroad and tow will likely get more value out of a 200. A whole lot more value if an extra emphasis is needed!
Sold my 100, now it's decision time
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The mistake was already made selling his 100 series. there's not much lower to go.
Go with the 200/570. It’s the real deal.
The 250 is full of gimmicks and glitchy tech that’s half baked which constantly nags you (and you can’t turn some of them permanently off). The good looks are only skin deep - knock on the door panels and open and close the door and you will know what I am talking about. When you look underneath, it’s skimpy in comparison with thin metal and shortcuts taken all around. I can go on and on… It’s a platform built on a budget. Not a car designed to last the test of time with a (practically) no compromise design philosophy like the 200. There’s a reason why so many people are frustrated with Toyota slapping the LC badge on the 250 and pulling the wool over our eyes.
The supposed gas savings is negated by the premium fuel surcharge in the 250 which is required. (unlike the LX 570 tuning, which is not really needed). The real world fuel economy in the 250 is more like 18-19 (not the stated 22-25). So when they nerfed the 250’s gas tank down to 17.9 gallons, it becomes woefully inadequate for the job… teetering on having range anxiety similar to an EV.
I had both (200 and 250) and just sold the 250. I was glad to get out of it without losing much money. Toyota needs to go back to the drawing board on the 250 and make some serious improvements.
One other tid bit. Since they removed the ability to slide the 2nd row back in the 250, the 2nd row space is much smaller compared to the 200. With a kiddo on the way, it’s nice to have some more room in the 200 with a rear facing car seat.
The 250 is full of gimmicks and glitchy tech that’s half baked which constantly nags you (and you can’t turn some of them permanently off). The good looks are only skin deep - knock on the door panels and open and close the door and you will know what I am talking about. When you look underneath, it’s skimpy in comparison with thin metal and shortcuts taken all around. I can go on and on… It’s a platform built on a budget. Not a car designed to last the test of time with a (practically) no compromise design philosophy like the 200. There’s a reason why so many people are frustrated with Toyota slapping the LC badge on the 250 and pulling the wool over our eyes.
The supposed gas savings is negated by the premium fuel surcharge in the 250 which is required. (unlike the LX 570 tuning, which is not really needed). The real world fuel economy in the 250 is more like 18-19 (not the stated 22-25). So when they nerfed the 250’s gas tank down to 17.9 gallons, it becomes woefully inadequate for the job… teetering on having range anxiety similar to an EV.
I had both (200 and 250) and just sold the 250. I was glad to get out of it without losing much money. Toyota needs to go back to the drawing board on the 250 and make some serious improvements.
One other tid bit. Since they removed the ability to slide the 2nd row back in the 250, the 2nd row space is much smaller compared to the 200. With a kiddo on the way, it’s nice to have some more room in the 200 with a rear facing car seat.
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Imagine spending 60-80k on a nice 200 to have it rust. It’s pretty concerning that these issues are common on Midwest and northeast trucks.
Is this a Toyota/lexus issue or owner issue of not being diligent with cleaning and oiling the undercarriage? My friend had a 2008 Cayenne Turbo that he sold with 220k and zero rust, that was a Midwest car as well.
Nothing compares to the ride quality and experience of a 200, but if I bring one to the Midwest, is it truly going to experience what my 100 did? Yes, I’m bummed I sold it, but accepted the rust issues and will do more due diligence with this next purchase
Is this a Toyota/lexus issue or owner issue of not being diligent with cleaning and oiling the undercarriage? My friend had a 2008 Cayenne Turbo that he sold with 220k and zero rust, that was a Midwest car as well.
Nothing compares to the ride quality and experience of a 200, but if I bring one to the Midwest, is it truly going to experience what my 100 did? Yes, I’m bummed I sold it, but accepted the rust issues and will do more due diligence with this next purchase
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I just got back from the Toyota dealer as well, I respect what they tried to do but didn’t even want to do a test drive. Doesn’t feel quality and not what I’m looking for.
Looks like it’s a 200 or LX for me….though the idea of bringing a rust free one to Chicago area makes me nervous and I’d like to mitigate as much rust as I can.
Looks like it’s a 200 or LX for me….though the idea of bringing a rust free one to Chicago area makes me nervous and I’d like to mitigate as much rust as I can.
You are coming from a 100, the 250 would never pass your smell-test. The 200 is your natural evolution. Your concern with rust is justified, but it should be manageable so long as you get a 200 from the south or west and treat it yearly and diligently with one of the solutions people use in the NE. You will still have some rust, but not the kind that will rot your frame long before your engine needs rebuild.
FWIW I moved to Michigan from Georgia with my '06 100, completely rust free, and with religious annual application of Fluid Film it remains almost as rust free as it originally was after 4 winters which include a lot of winter highway miles. I wouldn't lose much sleep over it.
Fluid Film or Woolwax is the key to avoid long term cancerous rust 
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Go down market. Buy the nicest 13-15 LX in the world for $30-35k. You won't notice much of a difference between it and a 2016+. I prefer the LX. Easy to add CarPlay. Mine is parked next to my 997. Good combo.
Get a 250. Would be sad to see a 200 die prematurely due to rust.Good Morning,
Sold my well running 2007 100 series with 195k last week while it was still worth a good amount. I knew it was a matter of time before rust issues took things over, ran like a dream but I did not want to invest more in that kind of vehicle. My fault for purchasing one that used to live in WI and MN! Currently daily driving a 2000 996 C4 as I search for something else. My wife has a 2023 Highlander, great car but I honestly preferred my 100
I have watched numerous videos and looked at many posts about the 200 series vs the new 250. I know the 200 is much beefier, bigger, and more solid of a car....though it is $$$$ even used. Being an owner of older German cars (while Porsches are pretty darn reliable), I do not like spending time in an out of the shop, another reason why I sold the 100 series, age catches up to anything, even mine which was very well maintained.
My next SUV preferably would be CPO, unless you guys think that is not a necessity in the LC world? Only interested in something with under 75k miles if I go a 200, and something from down south or out west since I am in Chicago. Seems foolish to spend 40-50k on a used one with 100k miles which needs lots of money put in. CPO 200s are usually in the 60s and 70s, though brand new 250s can be had for that amount or less, depending on model. While I understand the value and quality in a 200 series, they are priced to a point where it just makes since to get a newer car, not to mention potential rust issues. Gas mileage is an obvious winner with the 250.
Not going to lie, I prefer the 200 as it is more refined and premium versus the basic 1958 model, also has the split tailgate and the v8.......but the new one seems better for daily driving with its gas mileage, is more nimble, not to mention full warranty of a new car as well.
We have a smaller border collie around 30ish pounds and will be having a child in the next year for some background info.....thanks for listening, any advice is appreciated
Brings up an interesting point. These new fangled light weight 'cruisers' use more high strength steel and optimized components with less structural margin. In some components, steel gauge that's only 1/3 as thin compared to a full fat cruiser.
Rust don't care and will eat most steels at about the same rate. Meaning these lightweights will get compromised much quicker against rust.
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Definitely only considering a 200 or LX, I’ll start looking around soon. Most likely will be a situation of taking the train or flying, then driving back
If I find one from a Toyota or Lexus dealer, do you suggest PPI from an independent?
If I find one from a Toyota or Lexus dealer, do you suggest PPI from an independent?
Not only that, but there are locations where Toyota states HSS/UHSS can't be repaired because the steel isn't malleable.
Lol, this is what I was thinking.
That said, I brought a clean arizona LX to UT, but I also have only driven it in the snow once this year and only after I undercoated it.
My understanding was that the new LC is smaller inside even though it has the same footprint as a 200(wheelbase and track width). Basically like a GX460 but with wider fender flares.
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i happened to be driving my truck down the freeway while listening to cammisa's podcast on this episode explaining the sizes and a 250 pulled up next to me. it was like show and tell day at elementary school. side by side you can see the size difference, but the width is all below the belt line. the cabin appears to be an inch or two narrower.
i happened to be driving my truck down the freeway while listening to cammisa's podcast on this episode explaining the sizes and a 250 pulled up next to me. it was like show and tell day at elementary school. side by side you can see the size difference, but the width is all below the belt line. the cabin appears to be an inch or two narrower.
Im surprised that its longer overall.
