anyone got this thing? is it for greasing the bearings in the wheels or what was it for exactly? recommended?
THANKS
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LINUS
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Wheel bearings ride the spindle.
This greases either your bronze solid inner bush or the later needle bearing as it pushes grease into the birf cage/around & into the birf ‘bell’.
Kinda exactly as described.
This greases either your bronze solid inner bush or the later needle bearing as it pushes grease into the birf cage/around & into the birf ‘bell’.
Kinda exactly as described.
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OK. i need to crack the FSM on this topic. but good item to have? i have to do the universal joints and whatever and picked up a long zirk grease fitting. was wondering if this would be good to have on hand as well.
LINUS
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I’d buy one if I had birf soup & needed a easy band-aid way to keep good grease going in my knuckles until I could repair it.
That said, as a precaution I’d pop the pipe plug from the knuckle before pumping grease with the fitting, just so I didn’t pressure-pop the inner seal any worse than it already was in a state of.
Otherwise, I personally am fine just adding a few pumps via that top pipe plug.
But that’s just me.
That said, as a precaution I’d pop the pipe plug from the knuckle before pumping grease with the fitting, just so I didn’t pressure-pop the inner seal any worse than it already was in a state of.
Otherwise, I personally am fine just adding a few pumps via that top pipe plug.
But that’s just me.
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thanks man. i got to get on this topic. can i just search for “birfield spindle grease” and find a thread explaining this? or i guess i can hit the drivetrain section of the FSM and find a walk through?
can i just please ask if there is anything else i should tackle in this area besides ujoints?
and are the wheel bearings a maintenance item or do you replace when they start to whine or get hot or something?
advance apologies if any of that is exceptionally dimwitted. i just have to get after this stuff a bit...
LINUS
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I just swap the wheel bearings when I do a FAS - you’re literally right there. Then, depending on tire size/how well I hit my preload & if my inner seals need work again, I’ve only re-used wheel bearings if I botched a seal (I installed a new inner shaft, didn’t de-burr the seal area, rookie move).
So I’m 5/6 on seal installs, that one time I ate a seal in like 5K miles to full birf soup/greased inner tire sidewall ‘sunflower’.
Other than that one time, wheel bearings and seals are cheap for how messy & labor intensive FAS is - not cost effective to reuse any other time than emergency/trail repair situations.
Planned outage = new wheel bearings & seals, every time.
So I’m 5/6 on seal installs, that one time I ate a seal in like 5K miles to full birf soup/greased inner tire sidewall ‘sunflower’.
Other than that one time, wheel bearings and seals are cheap for how messy & labor intensive FAS is - not cost effective to reuse any other time than emergency/trail repair situations.
Planned outage = new wheel bearings & seals, every time.
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ok. THANKS a lot. i have to admit some of this is hard to follow.
what was FAS again?
and do i hit the FSM and just read up on “bierfirkds” to find the service requirements and the wheel bearings to see what is required maintenance there? or i guess i can just read the whole suspension section i suppose?
also - short of a full service or replacement i am greasing the birfields now and then but not the wheel bearings? or do the bearings get grease?
guess i also need to hit that service schedule and go through it also i suppose.
LINUS
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FAS = front axle service
If you buy / use the spindle tool, you’ll just grease
-the inner spindle workings & the knuckle / chamber that houses the spindle bush/roller needle bearing, the birf shaft as grease is pushed into the knuckle cavity so the birf, the cage & ball bearings, the female socket the inner driveshaft inserts to, and the stub of the shaft hopefilly with a good inner axle seal -stops there.
Since the wheel bearings ride on the outer shell of the spindle, no grease via this tool is delivered.
I just made a run to town, while driving I remembered @NLXTACY has merch with a blowout / orthographic projection of a front axle.
I’m sorta dyslexic so visual is my way best to learn, you might see if it was J that had a poster of that, I think I saw it on a tee-shirt (God knows I love ’em, but if I go on his site I’ll burn $2500 before we even talk turbo).
I’ll let him chime /reply - Wit’s End is him. I don’t dare even hit the cover page, I’ll burn $300
I’ll let him say what.
If you buy / use the spindle tool, you’ll just grease
-the inner spindle workings & the knuckle / chamber that houses the spindle bush/roller needle bearing, the birf shaft as grease is pushed into the knuckle cavity so the birf, the cage & ball bearings, the female socket the inner driveshaft inserts to, and the stub of the shaft hopefilly with a good inner axle seal -stops there.
Since the wheel bearings ride on the outer shell of the spindle, no grease via this tool is delivered.
I just made a run to town, while driving I remembered @NLXTACY has merch with a blowout / orthographic projection of a front axle.
I’m sorta dyslexic so visual is my way best to learn, you might see if it was J that had a poster of that, I think I saw it on a tee-shirt (God knows I love ’em, but if I go on his site I’ll burn $2500 before we even talk turbo).
I’ll let him chime /reply - Wit’s End is him. I don’t dare even hit the cover page, I’ll burn $300
I’ll let him say what.
LINUS
Waiting for the Great Pumpkin
Diannoo! - (however you spell that word of ‘cosmic alignment‘)
Pics I saw just now from a rig being worked - fits for you, and a shameless plug of a rig I dig:
where you’re headed in a FAS:
last pic shows how the knuckle chamber is separate from wheel bearings / grease seals that are divorced from wheel bearing grease / function.
Esp note the “flashcard” taped to the fender - that’s how smarter than me guys do.
I copied my paper FSM onto 11x17” paper at the local Kinko /office joint, had those hanging on the wall.
His way > my old way.
Pics I saw just now from a rig being worked - fits for you, and a shameless plug of a rig I dig:
where you’re headed in a FAS:
last pic shows how the knuckle chamber is separate from wheel bearings / grease seals that are divorced from wheel bearing grease / function.
Esp note the “flashcard” taped to the fender - that’s how smarter than me guys do.
I copied my paper FSM onto 11x17” paper at the local Kinko /office joint, had those hanging on the wall.
His way > my old way.
80 Series Front Axle Reference Poster- 18"x27", Version 3
80 Series Front Axle Reference Poster- 18"x27", Version 3 (REF-1)
This is also in your FSM.
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80 Series Front Axle Reference Poster- 18"x27", Version 3
80 Series Front Axle Reference Poster- 18"x27", Version 3 (REF-1)absolute-wits-end.com
This is also in your FSM.
THANKS man.
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thanks man. i have not had time to research the topic but did see the tool. which i gather is not necessary to pick up.
so before i dive in and do more research - obviously i am working on other things on this rig - at 225K this is an item to push up higher on my to do list if i see leaking grease or fluid at an inspection of the knuckle?
but in the meantime i may as well do ujoints grease? and leave this r&r for later? meaning put it on my list of things to address but not an immediate item?
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hi gents
so it looks like this is the diagram in the FSM?
is there a list somewhere of what the replacement parts are at 200+K?
are we talking oil seal, inner bearing and race, outer bearing and race, lock washer, snap ring and a gasket?
so it looks like this is the diagram in the FSM?
is there a list somewhere of what the replacement parts are at 200+K?
are we talking oil seal, inner bearing and race, outer bearing and race, lock washer, snap ring and a gasket?
Everything you need for the front axle rebuild is in one kit that @cruiseroutf supplies.
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thanks man. so one or two of these? with just a decision on which bearings you want?
<edit: it looks like this one?>
After using this grease injection tool, the entire cavity inside the spindle, back to the shaft bronze bushing / needle bearing would be 100% full of grease, with no expansion room. Then it would be a good idea to reach in with a thin screwdriver and remove some grease to make some air space? Am I right about that?
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more good info here: Cruiser Outfitters
BTW - Wiser ones than myself have questioned the need of replacing wheel bearings every time the front axle is serviced.
Rather - inspect and replace w new only if signs of aging are there, otherwise, just replace the old ones in good shape.
Reason - If wheel bearings are kept properly preloaded and greased, then they have no specific lifespan.
You could say they last indefinitely. Not forever, mind you, but a long time, 100k miles? 200k? Not predictable.
If it aint broke, don't fix it, as they say.
Also, it's not trivial in cost or effort. I's not a huge, huge job, but it's certainly not nothing.
It does take time and effort to pound out the outer bearing race with a brass drift.
There's some chance of screw up, damage, or mis-seating in pounding in the new race.
So - you voluntarily introduce some risk to an already stable situation.
That said, not too long after I first got the Landcruiser, I did do the full front axle rebuild, all bearings included.
Nothing at all was wrong with the old ones, Still have 'em. Call them spares, I guess.
Reason - Did it partly for the experience, having never done such work before, and partly for the reassurance of "known good shape" going forward, long term.
It's probably time for me to service the front axle again, but I won't replace the wheel bearings this time, unless needed.
I know for sure they've been treated well.
Think it through, decide what you want to do, but don't do it "just because"
Rather - inspect and replace w new only if signs of aging are there, otherwise, just replace the old ones in good shape.
Reason - If wheel bearings are kept properly preloaded and greased, then they have no specific lifespan.
You could say they last indefinitely. Not forever, mind you, but a long time, 100k miles? 200k? Not predictable.
If it aint broke, don't fix it, as they say.
Also, it's not trivial in cost or effort. I's not a huge, huge job, but it's certainly not nothing.
It does take time and effort to pound out the outer bearing race with a brass drift.
There's some chance of screw up, damage, or mis-seating in pounding in the new race.
So - you voluntarily introduce some risk to an already stable situation.
That said, not too long after I first got the Landcruiser, I did do the full front axle rebuild, all bearings included.
Nothing at all was wrong with the old ones, Still have 'em. Call them spares, I guess.
Reason - Did it partly for the experience, having never done such work before, and partly for the reassurance of "known good shape" going forward, long term.
It's probably time for me to service the front axle again, but I won't replace the wheel bearings this time, unless needed.
I know for sure they've been treated well.
Think it through, decide what you want to do, but don't do it "just because"
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BTW - Wiser ones than myself have questioned the need of replacing wheel bearings every time the front axle is serviced.
Rather - inspect and replace w new only if signs of aging are there, otherwise, just replace the old ones in good shape.
Reason - If wheel bearings are kept properly preloaded and greased, then they have no specific lifespan.
You could say they last indefinitely. Not forever, mind you, but a long time, 100k miles? 200k? Not predictable.
If it aint broke, don't fix it, as they say.
Also, it's not trivial in cost or effort. I's not a huge, huge job, but it's certainly not nothing.
It does take time and effort to pound out the outer bearing race with a brass drift.
There's some chance of screw up, damage, or mis-seating in pounding in the new race.
So - you voluntarily introduce some risk to an already stable situation.
That said, not too long after I first got the Landcruiser, I did do the full front axle rebuild, all bearings included.
Nothing at all was wrong with the old ones, Still have 'em. Call them spares, I guess.
Reason - Did it partly for the experience, having never done such work before, and partly for the reassurance of "known good shape" going forward, long term.
It's probably time for me to service the front axle again, but I won't replace the wheel bearings this time, unless needed.
I know for sure they've been treated well.
Think it through, decide what you want to do, but don't do it "just because"
thanks a lot mark.
i was rolling through the FSM the other day trying to get a handle on some of this stuff.
appreciate the info and advice. every answer helps to get things sorted slowly over here.
THANKS
jonathan
Check out otramm on YouTube he has a whole video on the birf job.
