Dude you have 4 Landcruisers!
Nice!
And he's gonna get 200K miles on a set of MTRs!!!
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And he's gonna get 200K miles on a set of MTRs!!!
I hope so. Although the 80 is for sale and hasn't seen many miles lately.
Maybe the MTR's will make up for the less than 20K I got from my Baja Claws...
Maybe the MTR's will make up for the less than 20K I got from my Baja Claws...
I called BFG about siping tyres. They said that they don't recommend and it will VOID WARRANTY!
With all the tyre related recalls/accidents, you may lose your suit/claim if you get in a tyre related accident or recall.
SO if you do get them siped, get the tire warranty from the store that does the siping.
Not to be a stick in the mud
"If siping (or other marketing ploy) was so good, why doesn't all the tyre companies sipe all there tires?" Now where have I heard that phrase before
Could siping be just another "placebo"?
With all the tyre related recalls/accidents, you may lose your suit/claim if you get in a tyre related accident or recall.
SO if you do get them siped, get the tire warranty from the store that does the siping.
Not to be a stick in the mud
"If siping (or other marketing ploy) was so good, why doesn't all the tyre companies sipe all there tires?" Now where have I heard that phrase beforeCould siping be just another "placebo"?
I called BFG about siping tyres. They said that they don't recommend and it will VOID WARRANTY!
With all the tyre related recalls/accidents, you may lose your suit/claim if you get in a tyre related accident or recall.
Not to be a stick in the mud
More and more MT's are coming siped from the factory becuase it makes a dramatic difference with the large lug sizes. I'm not sure I'd slice up a tread aftermarket that I intended to use heavily offroad, but modern compounds and tread design can clearly handle siping and offroad abuse when the tread is actually designed for the siping. Even IROKs are siped.
If you look at the trxus pic above that I posted, you will see a good deal more siping that is perpendicular to the tread than on a typical AT where the siping is likely to follow lugs designed for channeling and therefore will not be perpendicular to the tire rotation. This is why the trxus is such an excellent snow tire in combination with the soft compound.
BFG I imagine hasn't introduced much siping because their hard compounds would probably fall apart under abuse, and taking a knife to your tires should void the warranty.
A very soft compound is a different story. I have beat the crap out of my trxus in all conditions and they have almost no chunking. I am also going to get 20K useful miles out of them, but those 20K will have handled everything from major blizzards to icy hardpack to hardcore snow wheeling to rock crawling to grocery getting. So yeah, a good MT with proper siping can be an exceptional tire, and that's why more and more MT's are the market are coming factory siped.
Now is the factory siping done with a knife or is it part of the tyre design?
Exactly. It is a totally different thing.
I'd buy the factory designed tire rather than buying a tire that didn't fit my needs and slicing it up, but that's me. Of course, there are a lot of folks who will buy a Toyo or BFG tire and then alter it rather than buying an Interco tire, and who's to say what's the better bet
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After market siping is definitly no placebo, but it can contribute to increased chunking of the lugs if used in the rocks. For this reson you typically do not sipe the outer most 1.5"s of a tire ( just the center lugs.)
Of course tires with siping designed into the mold and/or cut at the factory are superior in design to after market siping due to the fact that the sipes do not extend to the edges of the lugs and can be placed at multiple angles.
Most M/Ts perform poorly on ice and hard pack snow. They are designed for Mud and durability in off road terain not for ice and longevity. Just look at any snow tire (or any all season or all terrain for that matter) and you will see that they are all factory siped.
For a vehicle that is driven on road some percentage of time after market siping can add great performance and longevity to a MT that has solid lugs.
Of course tires with siping designed into the mold and/or cut at the factory are superior in design to after market siping due to the fact that the sipes do not extend to the edges of the lugs and can be placed at multiple angles.
Most M/Ts perform poorly on ice and hard pack snow. They are designed for Mud and durability in off road terain not for ice and longevity. Just look at any snow tire (or any all season or all terrain for that matter) and you will see that they are all factory siped.
For a vehicle that is driven on road some percentage of time after market siping can add great performance and longevity to a MT that has solid lugs.
re_guderian
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If you need a better pic let me know and I'll take one
Thanks for the pics. Just so I understand what you did, in the first pic, it looks like each inner lug has ~10-12 small sipes in it, correct? and based on the last pic, they aren't that deep? Or am I confusing digital noise with the siping?
Correct. I never counted the actual sipes but it does appear there are around 10 per lug. This was done by Discount Tire.
Probably the middle picture gives the best view of how deep the sipes are. If you look at the center lug to the right of the tape measure you can see one of the slits. You are correct in that the sipes aren't real deep, maybe ~1/4" or so. As the tread wears down I will need to have the tires re-siped.
Here is a good site re: siping that was referenced above: http://www.sipers.com/sipers/index_large.asp
There are some videos etc on this page: http://www.sipers.com/sipers/how_siping_done.asp
And some different testimonials/studies here: http://www.sipers.com/sipers/siping_tests.asp
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