ryanjl
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Did you drive the 4Runner? I've been in one and what caught my attention immediately is the lack of 'off-road friendly' ergonomics; i.e. visiblity over the hood, out the back, etc.
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If you were as rich as me, you would just by a landcruiser and make it end up just the way you want. I have so much money to customize it that it doesn't matter to me. Of course, thats because I am RICK JAMES BITCH!
okay RickJamesBiatch / tuesdays crew, who else are you posting as?
Methinks maybe rickjamesbiatch/tuesdays crew is a troll 
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Did you drive the 4Runner? I've been in one and what caught my attention immediately is the lack of 'off-road friendly' ergonomics; i.e. visiblity over the hood, out the back, etc.
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That's funny, l was over at a Toyota dealership just last night, stopped by after they closed to wander through the vehicles, see what 100-series they had. I looked at a few 4runners, hell they only had about 150 of them. I couldn't believe the interior layout, from the look you wouldn't be able to see anything from the driver's seat. The dash is darn close to the roof, very bad viewing I would assume, I couldn't verify as they seemed to have locked them all up..damn!
I looked alot at the 4Runners, trying to find something I liked...a 4Runner for $35K, a Sequoia for $44K...and a 2000 Cruiser for $27K, best buy out of the bunch in my opinion.
They only had 1 100-series, and with no lie, atleast 75 4Runners, and 75 Sequoias, and atleast as many Highlanders. I'd buy a TRD Tacoma before a 4Runner...but after all that looking, man my LX450 sure looks good..
As for RickJamesBiatch...so you've watched atleast one episode of Chappelle's show...but do you have them all on Tivo like I do, and can watch them in slow-motion. Best line: "Look, there's a boat full of white people, let me go see what they want...man I done f'd up!" Funny show!
-Mark Brodis
Did you drive the 4Runner? I've been in one and what caught my attention immediately is the lack of 'off-road friendly' ergonomics; i.e. visiblity over the hood, out the back, etc.
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That's funny, l was over at a Toyota dealership just last night, stopped by after they closed to wander through the vehicles, see what 100-series they had. I looked at a few 4runners, hell they only had about 150 of them. I couldn't believe the interior layout, from the look you wouldn't be able to see anything from the driver's seat. The dash is darn close to the roof, very bad viewing I would assume, I couldn't verify as they seemed to have locked them all up..damn!
I looked alot at the 4Runners, trying to find something I liked...a 4Runner for $35K, a Sequoia for $44K...and a 2000 Cruiser for $27K, best buy out of the bunch in my opinion.They only had 1 100-series, and with no lie, atleast 75 4Runners, and 75 Sequoias, and atleast as many Highlanders. I'd buy a TRD Tacoma before a 4Runner...but after all that looking, man my LX450 sure looks good..
As for RickJamesBiatch...so you've watched atleast one episode of Chappelle's show...but do you have them all on Tivo like I do, and can watch them in slow-motion.
Best line: "Look, there's a boat full of white people, let me go see what they want...man I done f'd up!" Funny show!-Mark Brodis
MoJ
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The only difference I see this time is that you now can get the same V-8 engine.
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I read that the 6 cyl. has 10 more hp than the V8. (but less torque).
http://www.toyota.com/vehicles/2004/4runner/specs.html
The only difference I see this time is that you now can get the same V-8 engine.
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I read that the 6 cyl. has 10 more hp than the V8. (but less torque).
http://www.toyota.com/vehicles/2004/4runner/specs.html
[quote author=MoJ link=board=2;threadid=13469;start=msg127054#msg127054 date=1080252082]
I read that the 6 cyl. has 10 more hp than the V8. (but less torque).
http://www.toyota.com/vehicles/2004/4runner/specs.html
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MOJ, they are having trouble with the V-6, people are putting regular in them and they don't like it. I drove the Forerunner and did not have any visablity problems, but if I got one it would be off road just like the LX470 would be off road (zero, none). My friend from the gym has 2 Lexus 470's white ones that he will get by next week one with 50K miles and the other with 60K miles, both are 2000's and they will be in the $31-32K range. I drove the Black 2000 LX470 he has in today and it is nice, but compared to our 80's it feels like you are in a bank vault and it feels that solid, I bet that 10 MPG would be a stretch in the LX470
They want to give me $10K for my old LC, which I figured.
I read that the 6 cyl. has 10 more hp than the V8. (but less torque).
http://www.toyota.com/vehicles/2004/4runner/specs.html
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MOJ, they are having trouble with the V-6, people are putting regular in them and they don't like it. I drove the Forerunner and did not have any visablity problems, but if I got one it would be off road just like the LX470 would be off road (zero, none). My friend from the gym has 2 Lexus 470's white ones that he will get by next week one with 50K miles and the other with 60K miles, both are 2000's and they will be in the $31-32K range. I drove the Black 2000 LX470 he has in today and it is nice, but compared to our 80's it feels like you are in a bank vault and it feels that solid, I bet that 10 MPG would be a stretch in the LX470
They want to give me $10K for my old LC, which I figured.hi everyone,
i've been following this thread with much interest. seems like most think that the lc's price vs that of the 4runner isn't justified and that the lc needs more performance to separate itself from other toyots suvs. i agree with u on the performance part but personally, i think the lc still has much more offroading prowess than the 4runner and most suvs on sale in the u.s today despite its age. while the lc does share its engine and much of its drivetrain with the 4runner, i believe they have different chassis designed apart from one another and very different suspension design and parts. correct me if i'm wrong.
the lc of course is more prestigious than the 4runner, it is toyota's flagship after all. in fact, where i'm from, the lc is equipped with equipment only found in the lexus lx470 over here in the states(stuff like adjustable air suspension) has turbodiesels and is considered to be as prestigious as a lexus lx470. actually, the lx470 isn't even marketed as a lexus here, but as a landcruiser cygnus.
i've been following this thread with much interest. seems like most think that the lc's price vs that of the 4runner isn't justified and that the lc needs more performance to separate itself from other toyots suvs. i agree with u on the performance part but personally, i think the lc still has much more offroading prowess than the 4runner and most suvs on sale in the u.s today despite its age. while the lc does share its engine and much of its drivetrain with the 4runner, i believe they have different chassis designed apart from one another and very different suspension design and parts. correct me if i'm wrong.
the lc of course is more prestigious than the 4runner, it is toyota's flagship after all. in fact, where i'm from, the lc is equipped with equipment only found in the lexus lx470 over here in the states(stuff like adjustable air suspension) has turbodiesels and is considered to be as prestigious as a lexus lx470. actually, the lx470 isn't even marketed as a lexus here, but as a landcruiser cygnus.
Jim_Chow
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fzj said:
I have a 4wd mag from Japan dated 1995 (got it in a used bookshop) and the list price for the entry level (VX?) 80 series in 1995 was only $3K more than the Hilux Surf SSR-G (4Runner limited)! The new Surf/Prado run about 3.1 million yen w/ the 3.4L V6 (list price, base; 3.2 million yen for the 3.0L TD), while a new LC100 w/ V8 or TD is 4.4 million yen (base price). So the price difference has diminished to $12-13K. So I guess one can claim this difference (besides extra materials for the larger size) is build quality.
Jim_Chow
V8_Fan
I think the reason why the 4Runner was not sold as the LC Prado or under some other LC name is it would diminish the LC label in the US. Here, LC means top-priced luxury SUV, not reliable offroad transportation like in other countries. So if the 4runner were under the Prado name, Toyota would have to raise the price of the Prado to close the gap w/ the LC 100, or LC 100 buyers would feel cheated. Also, if the 4runner had the LC name, people would expect the fit & finish in the interior to be the same as on the LC100. That's only true w/ the GX, and that rig is also $20K more than the 4Runner. IMHO, 4runner here means a quality, reliable, mid-sized rig that is good offroad that's not as nice as a LC, or does it carry the status of the LC, hence the $25K lower sticker. In reality, $10K of the LC price here is purely status, based on what they sell for overseas for the same equipment (e.g., new LC100 V8 in Japan w/ leather seat option, no AHC, goes for about $45K).
Too bad Toyota didn't offer the new 4runner in a special offroad/stripped version, like manual tranny w/ diff locks.
Too bad Toyota didn't offer the new 4runner in a special offroad/stripped version, like manual tranny w/ diff locks.
The Prado name means nothing here in the US. The 4Runner name means alot to US consumers, which is why Toyota made it specifically for this market and built it at Tahara w/ the GX.
The 4.0 V6 (which does great on reg. gas, btw)is a fantastic engine- (Tacoma, 4Runner, LC Prado, FJ Cruiser) that they now tied to the 5 speed auto for '05 in the 4R.
The V8 everyone knows about. Now w/ VVTi.
Air rear susp. avail on the 4Runner, GX and LX
And no one in the market for a LC is going to buy a 4Runner. Don't know why people downplay the bling but the interior luxury, additional size & added content really make a difference obviously. Yes, lux models are more profit for Toyota but that plays to each segment's strengths.
They market each one very well and content them as the premium suv in each segment.
Tacoma= $
FJ Cruiser=$
4Runner=$$
GX=$$$
LC/LX=$$$$
And when you sit in them or drive them, they feel just like that price range.
As for offroad capability, that is always up for debate I guess. They are all well designed and built w/ the top quality in each segment.
The 4.0 V6 (which does great on reg. gas, btw)is a fantastic engine- (Tacoma, 4Runner, LC Prado, FJ Cruiser) that they now tied to the 5 speed auto for '05 in the 4R.
The V8 everyone knows about. Now w/ VVTi.
Air rear susp. avail on the 4Runner, GX and LX
And no one in the market for a LC is going to buy a 4Runner. Don't know why people downplay the bling but the interior luxury, additional size & added content really make a difference obviously. Yes, lux models are more profit for Toyota but that plays to each segment's strengths.
They market each one very well and content them as the premium suv in each segment.
Tacoma= $
FJ Cruiser=$
4Runner=$$
GX=$$$
LC/LX=$$$$
And when you sit in them or drive them, they feel just like that price range.
As for offroad capability, that is always up for debate I guess. They are all well designed and built w/ the top quality in each segment.
<Your incessant need to bring up this point only serves to highlight your ignorance. Tortion bars, while not as good as a live axle, are better for most offroad applications than a coil-over IFS setup like the 4Skinner / Sequoia utilize. Better wheel travel to begin with.>
Can't even remember who came up with this particular piece (of s***) of information LOL. Coilovers are WAY better than friggin torsion bars! My Tacoma had 1" additional wheel travel over this damn 100 torsion bar set up. EVERY HIGH-TECH DESERT RACE TRUCK IS RUNNING I F S / COILOVER SUSPENSION!!! Aftermarket kits for non-coilover equiped trucks are now going to coilovers swaps. Why? Because they are BETTER.
And I'll say it again because I've said it already. IFS IS BETTER THAN SFA EXCEPT IN THE ROCKS. It's better on the street, on fire roads, in the desert, and on the trails. The only place that SFA beats IFS is in the rocks. IFS kills SFA at high speeds. SFA kills IFS in the rocks. ANY FRIGGIN QUESTIONS!
And a new 4runner with lift and tires and lockers will smoke my 100 series with the same stuff. I can carry more groceries though! My s*** is wider, longer, and heavier and believe it or not, PHYSICS do affect your Landcruiser.
Can't even remember who came up with this particular piece (of s***) of information LOL. Coilovers are WAY better than friggin torsion bars! My Tacoma had 1" additional wheel travel over this damn 100 torsion bar set up. EVERY HIGH-TECH DESERT RACE TRUCK IS RUNNING I F S / COILOVER SUSPENSION!!! Aftermarket kits for non-coilover equiped trucks are now going to coilovers swaps. Why? Because they are BETTER.
And I'll say it again because I've said it already. IFS IS BETTER THAN SFA EXCEPT IN THE ROCKS. It's better on the street, on fire roads, in the desert, and on the trails. The only place that SFA beats IFS is in the rocks. IFS kills SFA at high speeds. SFA kills IFS in the rocks. ANY FRIGGIN QUESTIONS!
And a new 4runner with lift and tires and lockers will smoke my 100 series with the same stuff. I can carry more groceries though! My s*** is wider, longer, and heavier and believe it or not, PHYSICS do affect your Landcruiser.
Anyone know what the suspension will look like on the new LC/LX's? Wonder if Toyota is going to have the new FJ as their "off road" offering? From what I've read it is hard to determine what the product direction is?? I guess we will findout as time goes on.
Since this is sooooo chat anyway.....
I think FZJ is really FSIMIG in disguise...
I think FZJ is really FSIMIG in disguise...
