RTH: transfer case noise, shims, bearings

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Ok I'm pulling my hair out a bit here. I got new (higher) gears from Terrain Tamer for my transfer case. The kit includes 3 gears: input, high idler, and high output. I also got all new bearings and seals from Akella.

So I got all the gears and bearings set up on the shafts and new races and seals in place in the housing, and bolted it all together. Seemed tight... Figured theres a lot of stuff to spin and new seals so maybe that's it. Test drove around the block, very noisy.

Took driveshafts off, flanges are still too tight to turn by hand. Took the rear extension housing off and (transmission in neutral) could easily spin the front drive flange. The rear extension is what pushes on the idler bearing shim... So that must be what is tight. (Output shaft shim has its own plate independent of the rear housing.)

Ok, follow FSM procedure to measure with callipers, straight edge + feeler gauge, etc. Calculated that I need a shim approximately 0.04 inches thinner. Ok, it's just a piece of metal this shouldn't be too hard..... bench sander, callipers, etc. got it thinned down to the right thickness. The thickness is even within 1 thou which I figure should be good enough.

Back together, test drive, still a little noise but much less. No noise at all when coasting. Minimal noise under deceleration... So I'm thinking:

1) Bearings are still too tight, and I need to make the shim even thinner.

2) Bearings are shot from being run too tight... they will be noisy until I replace them.

3) Noise is from the new gears, and it was magnified through the case by tight bearings. Now that they are looser, the noise is quieter, but no amount of bearing adjustment will totally eliminate the noise.

I really hope the answer is not #3 because these gears were very expensive! #2 would be a real drag too, cause I'd have to take the whole t-case out again. But I'm worried with #1 if I keep making the shim thinner and thinner... running bearings too loose can't be good for them either?

What do the gurus think?

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Is this on an HF2A xfer or an HF1A (PT xfer)?

Also, just out of curiousity, how do you change the high gear since the space is so limited? I assume the reduction occurs in the other gears?

Very interested in seeing the results. High gear option-- if it worked well-- would be nice.
 
Is this on an HF2A xfer or an HF1A (PT xfer)?

Also, just out of curiousity, how do you change the high gear since the space is so limited? I assume the reduction occurs in the other gears?

Very interested in seeing the results. High gear option-- if it worked well-- would be nice.

HF2AV with Mark's part time flange and viscous coupling removed. I did that install a while ago and it went well.

I think the stock input and output both have 33 teeth. My new input has 34 teeth and my new output has 31 teeth. The idler stays the same at 39 teeth, but the kit includes a new one because apparently they are a "matched set". The teeth on these gears aren't quite as pointy as the old ones, but maybe the old ones wore pointy after 360,000 kms. Anyway the high ratio is 0.912 (instead of 1) which definitely helps keep the revs down a bit with the H151.

Note, a person could also include Marks low-range kit and have the best of both worlds...... But at this stage highway is more important to me than crawling :)
 
Note, a person could also include Marks low-range kit and have the best of both worlds...... But at this stage highway is more important to me than crawling :)

Yup. I have the low gears and have been thinking about how to modify high gear to accommodate my 5.29s so I'm not revving so high.

Very nice. Might you PM the cost shipped?

Thank you.
 
Just got back inside from putting in a thinner shim. Used a factory shim (NOT sanded down by yours truly) from a friend's spare transfer case. It is definitely a couple thou too thin according to the FSM measurement method. Still whines. So I have tried shims too tight, just right (I think), and too loose, and it always whines.

Which leads me to believe it is the gears themselves making the noise. Also there is no whine while coasting, and minimal whine while decelerating. I recorded a clip of the noise here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dASgTSIpux0

Does anybody have any bright ideas??? Please don't tell me I just wasted $2000 on gears, bearings, and seals!!! :bang::bang::bang: I emailed Terrain Tamer so I'll see what they say...

Could it be that they will "wear in" and quieten down with time??? Maybe I should try some of that magic Lucas stuff that is supposed to fix noise???
 
Can you paint the teeth of the gears and manually rotate them looking for a pattern as with a diff ring and pinion? IDK.
 
Just got back inside from putting in a thinner shim. Used a factory shim (NOT sanded down by yours truly) from a friend's spare transfer case. It is definitely a couple thou too thin according to the FSM measurement method. Still whines. So I have tried shims too tight, just right (I think), and too loose, and it always whines.

Which leads me to believe it is the gears themselves making the noise. Also there is no whine while coasting, and minimal whine while decelerating. I recorded a clip of the noise here:

Does anybody have any bright ideas??? Please don't tell me I just wasted $2000 on gears, bearings, and seals!!! :bang::bang::bang: I emailed Terrain Tamer so I'll see what they say...

Could it be that they will "wear in" and quieten down with time??? Maybe I should try some of that magic Lucas stuff that is supposed to fix noise???



Did you find an answer to the noise etc.?
 
Nope. Took them out. I have heard from guys who have installed them since me who say they are "very quiet" or "not very loud" but when I question them more they always admit they have an aftermarket exhaust or mud terrain tires and they can still hear the gears a little bit. So I think it is very subjective.
 
Thanks for the update! I hear a little wine also, but getting a vibration @55. checked the outputs and feel some Axial play. Back to the drawing board maybe C clip tolerance?
 
I think it is shims which tighten axial play, no? Been a few years since I was in there. What is your set up with exhaust/tires/engine, etc. @SDH? How loud are your gears?
 
I think it is shims which tighten axial play, no? Been a few years since I was in there. What is your set up with exhaust/tires/engine, etc. @SDH? How loud are your gears?

We had a few people put it together while pressing parts so i am looking for the FSM page. 1994 fzj80-oem exhaust, 35" tires, oem engine, slinky 3". Listening to your video it might be the same or quieter. up to 50mph then the vibration starts. UGH! After the lift I had vibs at 35MPH then replaced driveshaft with DBL Cardan, new gears front/rear (got better overall) rebuilt tcase with overdrive/underdrive. Again rebalance and replaced new ujoints incase. then carefully tried to shake driveline while in neutral and noticed the play in both front and rear output. Tore out rear shaft yesterday to see if i can shim etc. looking for specs and technique now. The other 100 series we did said his are noisier also. (his is stock height and 33")
 

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