Rivian R1S vs LC thoughts? (2 Viewers)

Would you trade in your Land Cruiser for a Rivian R1S/R1T?


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The hyperbole goes both ways in these EV discussions on mud. EG If it doesn’t tow 20k lbs 500 miles across the Sahara and cannot be field repaired with a coat hanger or has any of them pesky computers it’s basically useless for any use case.

They all end up this way 💁🏻‍♂️


Say what?

This is a LC forum after all, not sure why people wouldn't go to an EV forum to talk about EVs?

Personally, I see zero point in these EVs, hence my question. They are certainly not saving the planet. My landlord owns a business that puts EV motors in classic cars. He took me for a drive in one. Yup it is fast but super boring fast. No roar of the engine, no speed shifts or clutch dumps, no kicking the ass end sideways, it is like a friggin mayonnaise sandwich on Wonder bread.

Cheers
 
Say what?

This is a LC forum after all, not sure why people wouldn't go to an EV forum to talk about EVs?

Personally, I see zero point in these EVs, hence my question. They are certainly not saving the planet. My landlord owns a business that puts EV motors in classic cars. He took me for a drive in one. Yup it is fast but super boring fast. No roar of the engine, no speed shifts or clutch dumps, no kicking the ass end sideways, it is like a friggin mayonnaise sandwich on Wonder bread.

Cheers

Disagree but that’s okay. Since you asked, The Rivian R1S comes up a lot here for a couple reasons:

  • For well to do 200 series buyers who aren’t into the 300 series — it’s in the same ballpark price wise
  • It’s similar to an LX in a couple of ways, same wheelbase, split tailgate, height adjustable suspension
  • It’s marketed as a do-it-all adventure vehicle which is appealing to many 200 series buyers
 
Disagree but that’s okay. Since you asked, The Rivian R1S comes up a lot here for a couple reasons:

  • For well to do 200 series buyers who aren’t into the 300 series — it’s in the same ballpark price wise
  • It’s similar to an LX in a couple of ways, same wheelbase, split tailgate, height adjustable suspension
  • It’s marketed as a do-it-all adventure vehicle which is appealing to many 200 series buyers

Uhhhhh, ok. 🤷🏼‍♂️


Bet a Jeep on the market has the same WB too. And that is a good topic on a Cruiser forum because? Perhaps I miss your point?

Cheers
 
Say what?

This is a LC forum after all, not sure why people wouldn't go to an EV forum to talk about EVs?

Personally, I see zero point in these EVs, hence my question. They are certainly not saving the planet. My landlord owns a business that puts EV motors in classic cars. He took me for a drive in one. Yup it is fast but super boring fast. No roar of the engine, no speed shifts or clutch dumps, no kicking the ass end sideways, it is like a friggin mayonnaise sandwich on Wonder bread.

Cheers
The visceral driving experience is something that has been chipped away in most all cars over the years. There’s not much of it left in the most tech advanced cars of today and what is left is getting replaced with self drive vehicles. Idk how old you are or what cars you’ve driven but I’d imagine most people over 40 have driven cars that tried to kill them in their youth, I’ve owned some that were man vs machine and they were fun.
 
Everyone has their unique use case... and what works for some, may not work for others.

For my personal use, the LC can be taken to Siberia or Sahara and theoretically has a chance of being repaired.. though perhaps not using a coat hanger 😄

For those living in urban areas with attached garages, short towing needs and easy access to charging stations, a Rivian might just be the answer.
 
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The visceral driving experience is something that has been chipped away in most all cars over the years. There’s not much of it left in the most tech advanced cars of today and what is left is getting replaced with self drive vehicles. Idk how old you are or what cars you’ve driven but I’d imagine most people over 40 have driven cars that tried to kill them in their youth, I’ve owned some that were man vs machine and they were fun.


Well lets see, first car was a $500 1978 Corolla, that was in 1989. Next car was a 70 mustang fastback, yup that was fun at 17! It roared and kicked sideways!! Next car was an 1987 FJ60 that I bought in 1991 with 40,000 miles on it. Road tripped all up and down the I5 with it.

I drive a nice 1995 FZJ80 and am building a diesel 80-series pickup for myself as well, also a 1995. Newest car I ever owned was a 2004, I bought used in 2007. I have only ever bought one new car, a 2001 Chevy HD for work. So ya I have never been a guy who has to have the “newest”.

We build lot’s of new Cruisers in my shop, they are old made new though or old and new combined.

I am not a consumer when it comes to vehicles or phones or laptops. Welding supplies or beer? Yup I consume those! I fix old or only buy when it dies. As such I do my part to save the planet and not over consume. A 1995 Cruiser rebuilt four times without argument has far less carbon footprint (whatever that is) compared to anything made new. An EV would take decades to offset that if you even believe all the hoopla’.

Again, I was curious what motivates folks to buy these EVs? Seems to me it is convince. Or to have the “new” thing. 🤷🏼‍♂️

Cheers
 
Uhhhhh, ok. 🤷🏼‍♂️


Bet a Jeep on the market has the same WB too. And that is a good topic on a Cruiser forum because? Perhaps I miss your point?

Cheers

Yea you missed the point. Clearly people in this section of the forum are cross shopping the R1S or there wouldn’t be interest every time it comes up.

People also pop in this section of forum coming range rovers, 4Runners, Sequoias, GXs and even Jeeps. It’s a totally normal occurrence.
 
Well lets see, first car was a $500 1978 Corolla, that was in 1989. Next car was a 70 mustang fastback, yup that was fun at 17! It roared and kicked sideways!! Next car was an 1987 FJ60 that I bought in 1991 with 40,000 miles on it. Road tripped all up and down the I5 with it.

I drive a nice 1995 FZJ80 and am building a diesel 80-series pickup for myself as well, also a 1995. Newest car I ever owned was a 2004, I bought used in 2007. I have only ever bought one new car, a 2001 Chevy HD for work. So ya I have never been a guy who has to have the “newest”.

We build lot’s of new Cruisers in my shop, they are old made new though or old and new combined.

I am not a consumer when it comes to vehicles or phones or laptops. Welding supplies or beer? Yup I consume those! I fix old or only buy when it dies. As such I do my part to save the planet and not over consume. A 1995 Cruiser rebuilt four times without argument has far less carbon footprint (whatever that is) compared to anything made new. An EV would take decades to offset that if you even believe all the hoopla’.

Again, I was curious what motivates folks to buy these EVs? Seems to me it is convince. Or to have the “new” thing. 🤷🏼‍♂️

Cheers

Also I keep forgetting to say it, but Cheers to you too. I promise I’m not a troll on the internet. Big fan of your shop and the troopy you are building for TonyP.
 
Yea you missed the point. Clearly people in this section of the forum are cross shopping the R1S or there wouldn’t be interest every time it comes up.

People also pop in this section of forum coming range rovers, 4Runners, Sequoias, GXs and even Jeeps. It’s a totally normal occurrence.


Ok.

So when I am not sure what to buy for over $100k I should ask a bunch of strangers? On the internet? And that will help me make up my mind?

Sounds like the threads in other sections of the forum that are like, “what size tires can I fit on my Cruiser”. 🤷🏼‍♂️😂

Cheers
 
Ok.

So when I am not sure what to buy for over $100k I should ask a bunch of strangers? On the internet? And that will help me make up my mind?

Sounds like the threads in other sections of the forum that are like, “what size tires can I fit on my Cruiser”. 🤷🏼‍♂️😂

Cheers

Yea people totally do that. In every forum on the internet since the beginning of forums. I don’t find it that strange but I’m an avocado toast loving millennial.
 
Yea people totally do that. In every forum on the internet since the beginning of forums. I don’t find it that strange but I’m an avocado toast loving millennial.
I'm no millenial and (some) avocado toast is ****ing legit.

I have zero interest in an R1anything that isn't made by Yamaha, but do respect the opinions of many of the users on this board. So the discussion here (as long as it doesn't get political) helps me get a bead on what BEV owners are thinking/buying. Which mostly explains my keeping tabs on this thread.
 
I love threads like this it’s refreshing compared to 7 threads on the first page about the biggest wheel or tire you can fit or what suspension to go with. There’s only so many replies you can do on those.

I don’t know about y’all but I don’t go on any other section of the site so I like a little off topic here.
 
So it seems after reading maybe 15 pages in this thread you folks who buy EVs do it for the convince of charging at home and use it to run errands in the city?

BTW, that dash controls stuff looks horrible to me. Then again, I don't even like my smart phone.

Cheers

Replying to give you my two cents worth because I have much respect for you as a member of the upper-echelon of cruiserheads 🙇‍♂️

Yes, that is generally speaking the use case for most current EV owners. Although you can replace "in the city" with "anywhere within a couple hundred miles round trip." I have driven my car from Denver to Cheyenne and back, for example, and I also take it up skiiing.

Other benefits include:
1) basically zero maintenance (tires and windshield wipers). I've had no mechanical issues in 70k+ so far *knocking on wood*
2) If you're self employed or a contractor and write off your work mileage, EV is a very effective tax hack (at least until the IRS invents a work-around).
3) If you live in a city like Denver, we have Ozone alert days in the summer where we are encouraged to minimize driving, not mow the lawn, etc. It is genuinely dangerous for people with breathing issues. Zero emissions from the vehicle help alleviate that problem, or at the very least, relocate the air pollution to a natural gas powerplant (in my area, your grid may vary) somewhere away from where millions of people are trying to breath.

The use case I describe (~200 mile trips and daily commuting) is the way most EV's are currently used and MUST be used because the only EV's available on the market have been commuter cars or sport/luxury cars. The Rivian is the first example of a widely-available EV designed with camping and 4wheeling in mind. In theory, it can fill the same niche as a land cruiser because it has a 300 mile range, has 4WD, has adequate clearance and cargo space, etc. My 80, by comparison, would be hard pressed to go 240 miles on a single fill-up and that has worked just fine for me to drive to Montana, Wyoming, Utah, wheel and camp all weekend, and do the things one generally does with a LC because there are plenty of gas stations. Once there are plenty of charging stations, an EV like the Rivian can be used in a similar way.

Not saying the Rivian is my cup of tea, it's not really. But if someone like your landlord swapped an E motor and enough batteries into a 60 or 80 to go 250 miles, that is something I would spend good money on.

I also get what you're saying about the visceral experience of a traditional car. I've owned lots of fun cars and like your mustang, my 2nd car as a teenager was a supra turbo :hillbilly: But as I get older, I don't mind a quiet, tame (boring) driving experience as much, with the ability to blow that supra out of the water if the mood strikes.

People who love their cars get defensive about this topic and I guess in California they have good reason. I'm not one of those brainwashed people that think EV's are going to save the world and that I'm doing everyone a favor. I love my gas cars too. If you looked at my house a couple months ago, you would have seen 2 80's and a 200 in the garage, my wife's lexus in the driveway and a tesla on the curb. I have my priorities ;) Point is, as more and better EV options come out, I think they should have their place among enthusiasts and weekend warriors alongside the traditional cars.
 
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Yea people totally do that. In every forum on the internet since the beginning of forums. I don’t find it that strange but I’m an avocado toast loving millennial.
Especially given the current state of zero vehicles, Toyota, Rivian, Ineos, etc, available to see in person or test drive.
 
I have a pretty intense generator and solar panels. I can easily charge my car using both indefinitely. I think anti EV people forget... I drive a car that gets 15 mpg, and I have 3 of them... I'm not anti gas. I just want redundant systems help me weather absurd outages; that also drive me around town with off peak energy (basically 5 dollars to fill up my car with electric juice). Plus the power is sourced from a nuclear power plant. Its a win win.
A back up house battery would be cool too, but I can't drive it.
Yeah, this thread has certainly turned into an either/or debate when I look at it differently. I'll never get rid of my 200, but the thought of pairing it in the garage with an R1S is very appealing to me. Best of both worlds, especially since I'm apparently never getting the RS6 I ordered almost a year ago.
 
Well lets see, first car was a $500 1978 Corolla, that was in 1989. Next car was a 70 mustang fastback, yup that was fun at 17! It roared and kicked sideways!! Next car was an 1987 FJ60 that I bought in 1991 with 40,000 miles on it. Road tripped all up and down the I5 with it.

I drive a nice 1995 FZJ80 and am building a diesel 80-series pickup for myself as well, also a 1995. Newest car I ever owned was a 2004, I bought used in 2007. I have only ever bought one new car, a 2001 Chevy HD for work. So ya I have never been a guy who has to have the “newest”.

We build lot’s of new Cruisers in my shop, they are old made new though or old and new combined.

I am not a consumer when it comes to vehicles or phones or laptops. Welding supplies or beer? Yup I consume those! I fix old or only buy when it dies. As such I do my part to save the planet and not over consume. A 1995 Cruiser rebuilt four times without argument has far less carbon footprint (whatever that is) compared to anything made new. An EV would take decades to offset that if you even believe all the hoopla’.

Again, I was curious what motivates folks to buy these EVs? Seems to me it is convince. Or to have the “new” thing. 🤷🏼‍♂️

Cheers
I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that you're not Rivian's target market. Not everyone uses vehicles like you do, though.
 
Some people also need "newer" cars because of their job description.
 
Yeah, this thread has certainly turned into an either/or debate when I look at it differently. I'll never get rid of my 200, but the thought of pairing it in the garage with an R1S is very appealing to me. Best of both worlds, especially since I'm apparently never getting the RS6 I ordered almost a year ago.

This is my plan. I’m keeping my 200 forever, will daily the R1S when it comes (hopefully this calendar year 🤞🏻)
 
I’m keeping my 200 forever

Forever is a long time. Future Toyota parts discontinuation (and rust) will see to it that that particular dream won’t come true.
Want to see what it’s like dealing with 40-50 year old cruisers? (that didn’t have 3 miles of wires and dozens of sensors in them)… take some time reading through the 40s and 60s section. It’s a whole different world.
 
Forever is a long time. Future Toyota parts discontinuation (and rust) will see to it that that particular dream won’t come true.
Want to see what it’s like dealing with 40-50 year old cruisers? (that didn’t have 3 miles of wires and dozens of sensors in them)… take some time reading through the 40s and 60s section. It’s a whole different world.

Yea I hear you. Forever is relative.

I grew up in nowhere Indiana, definitely know and appreciate the life of wrenching and driving old rusty carborated garbage lol.
 
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