Rivian R1S vs LC thoughts?
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You may want to rethink that opinion. Almost everything in our modern world that deals with software is done by young ‘hipster’ software and design engineers.
Cars are still physical/mechanical items. Software is only a part of it. Seems these trendy companies prioritize software over hardware. There are programming gremlins that can totally incapacitate the functionality of their product. This is exacerbated by the fact that their hardware is generally not as robust and behind those manufacturers with more established assembly lines.
That guy is a huckster, not a hipster.
Actually I do need to rethink what I said. I would take anything built in Japan by Japanese engineers and production team members over anything designed and built in USA or Germany these days (when it comes to automobiles....)
Just my personal opinion. It is hard to explain but my opinion is formed from owning several Japanese made cars (Prius and two different Subaru Impreza). The fit, finish and build quality was just way better overall than any other vehicle I owned.
I’m in Alaska it was -38F (air not wind chill) at my house the other day. On my 9th winter with now 2 teslas.EV drivers are in for a BIG surprise when it gets really cold!!!
What surprise?
That's awesome to hear first hand.
I think the EVs from other brands don't fare as well?
Now that’s cold!! We had -15f but that is with a windchill and it was breezy. Does the Tesla have its own heating system for the battery so it’s not taking away from the cabin heat?
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When I started this thread I had good opinion of Rivian, not soo much anymore. I'm rooting for Canoo now. It won't be a LC competitor offroad but I think it will do what EVs are meant to do well onroad.
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xeuxaz
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All the modern ones have heat pumps and use waste heat from the motors to warm up the batteries or cabin. There are reports of the system prioritizing the battery over the cabin in extreme temps.
There are a ton of EVs up here. Mostly tesla but the Kia, Hundai, polestar, lightning,… EVs are growing by the day.
The cold and EVs are way over exaggerated. I think it’s because most people don’t think of the fact that the battery runs the heat before they buy one.
Around town when the roads are bad and driving is slow yes you lose range. Last 3 weeks driving around town mostly driving <40mph, many times leaving the heat on for 30min or so when I go in somewhere with temps below 0F and lots of fresh loose snow I’m at close to double “rated” Wh/mi. Who cares, I drive 30-50 miles a day use 30-40% then plug in when I get home and it costs around $6 in electricity, in my LX I’d be >$25 for the same drive.
On the highway longer trips is isn’t as much of a hit. Yesterday, I drove the Tesla to my cabin and back, ~100 miles with no stops, going 50-60 mph, high was -18F, lowest I saw was -24F. I used 40% battery. In the summer same trip I’m 31-32%. Had the heat set to 62F.
That is ~25% range reduction
The heat from the motors warm the battery.
Ok, I thought they had some kind of extra heating system for cold temps. My personal favorite feature is the idea of bein
This to me is the greatest advantage, the ability to keep your car warm or cool based on the season. Total win in my book, oh and you can charge at home.
For me all electric makes sense once we wake up to Nuclear or make Fusion work.
Windmills are 17th century or older tech and drop on a hot plate. And Solar bringing your money in ship loads to countries we should not further commit to in the first place.
Interesting the OP mentions Land Rover in the same sentence as Rivian. That just about sums it up for me.
Then the looks… I know taste cannot be argued. Interesting though our kids the other day asked me what car that was and they thought it was real ugly.
Windmills are 17th century or older tech and drop on a hot plate. And Solar bringing your money in ship loads to countries we should not further commit to in the first place.
Interesting the OP mentions Land Rover in the same sentence as Rivian. That just about sums it up for me.
Then the looks… I know taste cannot be argued. Interesting though our kids the other day asked me what car that was and they thought it was real ugly.
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I’m in the same boat with Rivian. They started out with an off-road/outdoor/overland vibe but the trucks are hipster/mall cruiser focused.When I started this thread I had good opinion of Rivian, not soo much anymore. I'm rooting for Canoo now. It won't be a LC competitor offroad but I think it will do what EVs are meant to do well onroad.
Now I’m hopefully for the scout reboot.
kcjaz
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I work in the energy industry on all kinds of things. We have active projects involving coal, natural gas, nuclear, solar, wind, hydro, battery storage, EV charging stations, H2 refueling stations and H2 production facilities. We put in the first chargers across the country that allowed Teslas to be driven cross country. We are actually bidding on design/building part of the Rivian plant in Georgia. Their "energy as a service" model is planned to use all forms of renewable energy and storage to run the plant. Its, well, ambitious to say the least. I half expect to see an addendum wanting us to quote a fusion reactor option.
A bit off topic, but here's Toyota's take on EV vs. Hybrid vs. H2. My company has installed some H2 refueling stations in California and are now some in in India. I'm not directly involved but got interested when I got asked to look at some H2 storage tanks with 14,000 psi H2. That was a new one for me. Pretty crazy, thinking about Joe Public being allowed to be around kind of equipment at a filling station and connecting a hose/nozzle to a car and filling it with 5000 to 10000 psi H2. Even crazier thinking about that inside of a car. The cars though are super interesting though using different anti-Hindenburg strategies.
The tech war in this space is and will be fascinating. Toyota seems to be betting on H2.
A bit off topic, but here's Toyota's take on EV vs. Hybrid vs. H2. My company has installed some H2 refueling stations in California and are now some in in India. I'm not directly involved but got interested when I got asked to look at some H2 storage tanks with 14,000 psi H2. That was a new one for me. Pretty crazy, thinking about Joe Public being allowed to be around kind of equipment at a filling station and connecting a hose/nozzle to a car and filling it with 5000 to 10000 psi H2. Even crazier thinking about that inside of a car. The cars though are super interesting though using different anti-Hindenburg strategies.
The tech war in this space is and will be fascinating. Toyota seems to be betting on H2.
Smart bet if they can make it work. It's the most eco friendly option and pretty abundant.
Dont worry, that only happens to my threads.
1/2 the range and much longer to charge…..yea if you drive 20 miles a day it doesn’t matter
