Rebuild estimate 87 2F/ source?

[Kief]

So what does a 2f rebuild run?

Engine overhaul kit?

OEM or Aftermarket?

Re-ring & valve job and gasket kit? (assuming all my bearings are in spec and I have good clearances)

Motor is up for sale but I might redo it and put in a rig that need it.

 

[fowldarr]

My local machine shop quoted me between 1500-2000 if I pulled the engine myself.

 

[notagp_afj55]

Kief

Thats a pretty good price, The motor i bought from kevin up here
in P-town had a rebuild price of $3999 from a local shop, dont know
what shop though. Then on top of that the guy bought a brand new
oem carb from Toyota and they charged him $800 for it. I think
this motor was rebuilt about 8 or so years ago as it according to
kevin had about 90k on it....just food for though

IIRC when i checked last a rebuild kit was pretty close to $1k and
that was aftermarket

I can check some shops up here and find out how much a kit would
cost, but dont know of any machine shops or rebuilders personally
so cant recommend one...sorry

Jim

 

[REKCUT]

I have been told between 3k and 3.5k for mine. I am considering what I want to do. I feel that I have done my part the last year or so on controlling the mesquito population in souther missouri

 

[NocalFJ60]

Depends on where you live but a good rebuild should cost anywhere from $2500-3500 depending on what all you need to do. It will be more if you want it pulled or installed from the cruiser.

 

[beaufort-fj60]

same but different subject.... I ran into a guy that has a 86 with the motor rebuilt by the dealer. The cruiser was flipped when the rebuilt had 11,000 miles on it. It has been sitting for 4 years, and the guy want $1000 for the cruiser as is. Would a semi-fresh rebuilt that sat for 4 years be any good?

sorry for the hijack

 

[NocalFJ60]

same but different subject.... I ran into a guy that has a 86 with the motor rebuilt by the dealer. The cruiser was flipped when the rebuilt had 11,000 miles on it. It has been sitting for 4 years, and the guy want $1000 for the cruiser as is. Would a semi-fresh rebuilt that sat for 4 years be any good?

sorry for the hijack

Has it been sitting outside with oil in it? I would try and turn it over first but for $1000 I would do it if he had paperwork proving it was rebuilt. Pull the engine lube it up and check the compression.

 

[4lowNgo]

Mine's being rebuilt right now. Cost will be between $1500-1700, and they're doing it ALL. I just dropped the truck at the shop and got the parts from CDan.

 

[wobble]

4lowNgo- let me get this straight, for between 1500 and 1700 dollars you are getting your engine rebuilt, including removal and reinstallation? What all is being done? That is a great deal and I hope it works out. If you do not mind me asking, what shop did you take it to?

 

[Kief]

I got a quote for $1500 to $1800, including balancing, I remove and I put it back together. Sounds like he would get a crank from a crank shop.. not sure about that though. I like to polish all the oil ports if I can. I would pull the motor myself (this one is already out). This shop doesn't give a discount for labor if they don't supply the parts. They said they make most of their money on the parts.
4lowNgo: I want to go for a ride in your rig when you get it back together... of course I suppose I should start with a tuneup on the one I have in my 60 now.

 

[Kief]

same but different subject.... I ran into a guy that has a 86 with the motor rebuilt by the dealer. The cruiser was flipped when the rebuilt had 11,000 miles on it. It has been sitting for 4 years, and the guy want $1000 for the cruiser as is. Would a semi-fresh rebuilt that sat for 4 years be any good?

sorry for the hijack

No problem, where is this motor?

1 year is no problem unless it has cheap oil, high humidity conditions or?

A quick compression test will tell you condition, drain a little oil before you crank it up to see if any water is in the bottom of the pan. Turn it by hand first to make sure none of the valves are rusted in the down position. That in itself will tell you if you have some compression, you can feel and hear it. Take a mini maglite and pull the plugs and look in the holes, you should see the cross hatch marks, I have seen these marks on 2f's with over 150k, sold a rig that had them still with 200k and no detectable ring ridge(replaced the head gasket). If the oil looks ok throw a battery in, drain the gas tank and put in some fresh gas and reinstall the plugs. Crank it over with the coil pulled off to get some oil pumping. Put a pressure gauge where the sending unit goes. Put it back together=start it up. See what happens. If you get a motor with 150+ compression and around 50psi oil pressure $1k is cheaper than a rebuild, maybe get the whole rig for $1k and have a few spares.

 

[5280Hawk]

What if you were to buy the Kits from Specter Off Road, including the .20 over pistons w. rings and gasket and Oil pump; the Crank Shaft Kit, and the Cam Shaft Kit. that all adds up to around $920 before shipping. What other parts might you need, and What are you looking at for labor costs??

 

[Kief]

What if you were to buy the Kits from Specter Off Road, including the .20 over pistons w. rings and gasket and Oil pump; the Crank Shaft Kit, and the Cam Shaft Kit. that all adds up to around $920 before shipping. What other parts might you need, and What are you looking at for labor costs??

I wonder how good of quality that is? You know, I kind of skip SOR since they went to a "CLUB" status. Most of the time I can't afford their stuff, I have noticed that sometimes, however, their OEM stuff is cheaper than my local Toyota dealer. Now I will have to go look.

 

[bigbrowndog]

I am sure it would cost less if you got a rebuild kit from Oz. Also like Kief says these motors often just need a re ring job with out reboring and o/s pistons, just cross hatch the bore by honeing. cheers

 

[Heartworm]

I have had two 2Fs rebuilt in Butte, MT for $2K but I has to pull the engines and replace. The guy who did them got the parts. Time will tell how this is going to play out. He screwed up on the timing gear oiler on both of them but I got that fixed. Look around, you should be able to get a machine shop to do the work and put it together for somewhere in the neighborhood of $2K.. However, if you want them to remove it, clean it up, and put it back it will cost a boatload more money. The good thing about doing it yourself is that (1) you save money (2) you learn stuff about your rig (3) you can do a lot of extras such as clutch kit, clutch master and slave, hoses, filters, belts, fuel pumps, water pumps, power steering pumps, whatever else is needed, (4) you can clean up the engine compartment while you are waiting on the engine. Good luck.

 

[lifelonglove]

Kief, I did a farm style overhaul on my 2f for around $500.

new bearings, hastings cast iron rings(they make up for about .010 inch of taper in the cylinder walls), Two used pistons from the parts pile, a head gasket from the gasket pile, a ball hone, OE pan gasket one piece design and worth the $18 at the dealer, a valve grind, and resurface the head(most exspensive part).

I did the whole job with the engine still in the rig and she runs great.
I might try it on an engine stand next time but we'll see.

 

[penguin2]

Can you do a piston replacement "farm style" in a 2F ??? while its still in the rig?
I have a rig that needs a farm style job done as it only used to put a boat ina nd out of the water at the ramp.

 

[4lowNgo]

Sorry for the delayed reply; I haven't been on 'Mud lately.

The estimate for $1500 was a ballpark, I kinda expect it to go higher. Keep in mind this didn't include the gasket kit and clutch I bought from CDan.

Wobble and Keif, you might know the guy, Danny's Auto in Grants Pass. He's rebuilt a couple of 60's and I want to trust him. Have you gone there before?

Engine is out now and at the machine shop for re-bore. I won't have it back for a couple of weeks. There was a catch: he won't warranty it, he says, because the machine shop won't warranty their work. (???) He's not in business to rip people off, especially on a job this big, so I've got faith. It's about all I can have, cuz I couldn't find anyone else in the valley who was interested in doing the work. I was just glad to find a mechanic who has acutally owned and rebuilt 60's. He seems like a straight-up guy.

I can't do the work myself for a few reasons, the biggest being I have no friggin idea what I'm doing and usually end up with a mistake.

Fingers crossed!

 

[lifelonglove]

Can you do a piston replacement "farm style" in a 2F ??? while its still in the rig?
I have a rig that needs a farm style job done as it only used to put a boat ina nd out of the water at the ramp.

Sure can. Just pull the head and the oil pan off. Unbolt the connecting rod from the crank and push it out the top. Be carefull not to scratch up the cylinder walls too much with the rod bolts.

 

[Heartworm]

2 ways to screw up

For those of you planning to get rebuilds from various sources. I learned the hard way about 2 little things that you need to watch. First: Don't let them thread the little brass oiler on the timing plate too far into the plate. If they do, it protrudes out the back and causes an oil leak. Second: Get the machinist to pull the little galley plug in the head (passenger side over #4 spark plug area). Have him thread the hole and put in a hex head plug.