Rear window frame cracks

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The same can be said about Land Rover and a few other high dollar brands that have way worse problems. Anybody heard of the Toureg?


What you just wrote reinforces my point. That is precisely why we DON'T buy those makes.

I don't know about you, but if I'm spending $60K+ on a vehicle, you're damn straight I'm going to expect perfection.

The used market and tolerance for imperfection is an entirely different topic.
 
Well first of all I always buy used for myself but new for the wife. Now as for as a "new" vehicle, it is no longer new once you drive it off the lot. So we must decide how long the truck must be maintained visually perfect. I think we are of the thinking that this crack is asthetic in that the structure of the window is unharmed. If the window could fall out because of the crack I would demand more strongly that the dealer or toyota fix it. If however the only problem is that it is visually displeasing then I think that we have to treat it differently, just like the dealer and toyota do. Is Toyota or the dealer still responsible to make the truck visually perfect? I say it is too much to ask that Toyota be made to replace the entire window everytime a superficial molding has a crack. Should Toyota have designed it to either not break or be able to be replaced seperately? Hindsight says yes but is the truck defective? I would say no. In reality you have to be looking for it to see it. I bet that other people would never even realize it is cracked unless you brought it to their attention. I bet most owners don't realize it until the read about it on the forum. I say give Toyota a break on this one. Now if we could get them to give us all ARB front lockers, I would be happy.
 
Well first of all I always buy used for myself but new for the wife. Now as for as a "new" vehicle, it is no longer new once you drive it off the lot. So we must decide how long the truck must be maintained visually perfect. I think we are of the thinking that this crack is asthetic in that the structure of the window is unharmed. If the window could fall out because of the crack I would demand more strongly that the dealer or toyota fix it. If however the only problem is that it is visually displeasing then I think that we have to treat it differently, just like the dealer and toyota do. Is Toyota or the dealer still responsible to make the truck visually perfect? I say it is too much to ask that Toyota be made to replace the entire window everytime a superficial molding has a crack. Should Toyota have designed it to either not break or be able to be replaced seperately? Hindsight says yes but is the truck defective? I would say no. In reality you have to be looking for it to see it. I bet that other people would never even realize it is cracked unless you brought it to their attention. I bet most owners don't realize it until the read about it on the forum. I say give Toyota a break on this one. Now if we could get them to give us all ARB front lockers, I would be happy.


Regardless of what you consider "used", in this scenario, the buyer paid a "new" price for a vehicle which had not been previously owned, titled, or registered for street use by any other entity, including a lease company or the manufacturer itself. So whether or not it is "used" when you drive it off the lot has no bearing.

By the logic displayed above, if I have bubbles or swirls in the paint, or a bumper trim piece was cracked and hanging loose, I should just ignore it when I just paid $60K for a "new" vehicle under warranty? Afterall, these are just visual blemishes, they don't affect functionality! Uhh, sorry dude, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
 
Warranty coverage for rear window trim cracks

My 2004 LX470 had 2-3 cracks on both rear quarter windows. My warranty had just expired the month before I mentioned it to the dealer...... Lexus still considered it a warranty repair since I only had 38k miles on the vehicle, and replaced BOTH windows at no cost to me.

The vehicle had been kept outdoors in Phoenix for several years, and I suspect this damage was due to the extreme hot temperatures it must have been exposed to.

If you have a vehicle that is still under warranty with this problem, I highly recommend you take vehicle in to Lexus dealership and point out this defect while it may be covered.... I am very happy with the new windows...
 
My 2004 LX470 had 2-3 cracks on both rear quarter windows. My warranty had just expired the month before I mentioned it to the dealer...... Lexus still considered it a warranty repair since I only had 38k miles on the vehicle, and replaced BOTH windows at no cost to me.

The vehicle had been kept outdoors in Phoenix for several years, and I suspect this damage was due to the extreme hot temperatures it must have been exposed to.

If you have a vehicle that is still under warranty with this problem, I highly recommend you take vehicle in to Lexus dealership and point out this defect while it may be covered.... I am very happy with the new windows...

By warranty, he means the 4 yr/50K factory warranty. My dealer & lexus USA told me the extended and CPO warranties DO NOT cover any of the glass or anything attached to the glass and sold only with the glass. The extended/CPO warranties only cover the major stuff...drivetrain, engine/exhaust, electronics...while the new car warranty covers everything short of rock chips in the paint.
 
warranty coverage

That is right, they covered this under the original vehicle warranty, even though it was technically just out of the coverage period....they did not have to do this....they just chose to do it... They have certainly earned my good will on this one...

I think if you have a 100 series that has these cracks, and is still under the original warranty period, you should take it in while the original warranty is still valid...I think this would be considered a material defect....

(I did not even notice that I had the cracks on the windows, until I came across this thread....glad that I did...)
 
Well, I kind of feel like e9999. I'm not sure I wanted to know. Sure enough, my '06 has a crack on the passenger side - a fairly jagged one also. If it looked as clean as some, I would ignore it for sure, but it's just bad enough to bug me. CrusrDug, please let us know if the replacement works out OK.
 
Well, I kind of feel like e9999. I'm not sure I wanted to know. Sure enough, my '06 has a crack on the passenger side - a fairly jagged one also. If it looked as clean as some, I would ignore it for sure, but it's just bad enough to bug me. CrusrDug, please let us know if the replacement works out OK.


Nice they are covering under warranty. My only fear is it may be all for not when it crack again 10K down the road. Obviously a design flaw that was not carried over to the 2008. Of course, the 2008 is also missing half the back window. :rolleyes:
 
From a 2/9 Reuters article summary- a little pun there in the first line:

SHAKY GROUND

Lately, though, Watanabe has been busy fixing the cracks in Toyota's vaunted reputation for quality.

In J.D. Power's closely watched survey on new-car quality last year, Toyota's luxury Lexus brand ceded its long-held top spot to Porsche, and Honda Motor Co topped Toyota among mass-market brands. Toyota vehicle recalls have exceeded a million cars in the past few years.

To reverse the tide, Watanabe in 2006 assigned two executive vice presidents to oversee quality improvements, one specifically to work closely with suppliers to catch design defects early.

Toyota also set up a "customer first" committee that made quality checks more visible at the four stages of design, manufacturing, procurement and sales.

Watanabe, who chairs the committee, says the measures are bearing fruit and recall numbers are falling.

Toyota teaches staff at every step of their job, even down to the correct way to grasp a bolt, to try to ensure consistent quality. Foreign managers attend a Toyota Institute in Japan to be schooled in the "Toyota Way."

Watanabe also introduced a mentor system to encourage staff to be more inquisitive and suggest improvements, harking back to Toyota's tradition of getting to the root of problems through "kaizen," or continuous improvement.

"We need to go back to the basics, even if it takes more time and people, and even if labor costs go up," he said.
 
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