I had the 43136-60020 coil spacers installed last week to get rid of that unsightly front rake (almost 2" pre-install). Got the truck back and amazingly they seem to have brought the front end up 2" and I've now for about 1/2" of equally (perhaps more) undesirable rear end squat. Anyone else had this issue? Possible cause? I used what seemed to be a very knowledgeable and reputable shop here in Atlanta with the OEM spacers that I personally purchased from a Toyota dealer so I'd be surprised if they messed it up. But anything is possible. What's the best way to sort this all out?
I have no direct experience with the spacers but is it the same on both sides? Wondering if you have a KDDS issue. Do you know if they cracked the valves when they installed?
I have no direct experience with the spacers but is it the same on both sides? Wondering if you have a KDDS issue. Do you know if they cracked the valves when they installed?
I specifically asked if they understood KDSS and the ol' dude who seemed to have been working on LC's for as long as I've been alive seemed to laugh me off. So I'm assuming he did the right thing there. But I didn't watch the install.
Trying to avoid DIY. Which is why I paid someone to DIFM. That said, is there an obvious cause? Like, for instance, if it was upside down or something else obvious and trivial that might have caused this?
Lots of pics in this thread. From what I see, it seems like you get more than the expected front height. But if your pre-post measurements showed a more than 2” difference (close to 2 1/2”?) F/R, you might want to take it back and have the shop check the work.
I've been on the fence about adding the OEM coil spacers since I bought my 200 back in March. There was a mild rake on the cruiser but not terrible and I just wasn't sure a 1" lift up front would be worth the cost of the spacers plus labor to install. I ended up having the spacers installed...
No, the spacers are flat and I don't really see how they could be installed incorrectly. There is an indication of the "Out" orientation that needs to be paid attention to. I don't see how that could be screwed up.
The only thing I can imagine is torquing LCA bushings with the vehicle hanging in the air introducing preload. I can't see how that'd lead to multiple inches of lift though. Most likely result would be torn bushings.
What year is your 200 and mileage? Maybe your rear springs are a bit tired and just need to throw in some rear spacers to level it back out. From what I remember on the part its hard to mess em up.
What year is your 200 and mileage? Maybe your rear springs are a bit tired and just need to throw in some rear spacers to level it back out. From what I remember on the part its hard to mess em up.
2018 w/39k miles; would be odd to have rear sag at this relatively new age. May just need rear spacers. But Lord help me if that adds a bunch of rake back and I need to re-lift the front end. Then the back again. And again. And again.
I had the 43136-60020 coil spacers installed last week to get rid of that unsightly front rake (almost 2" pre-install). Got the truck back and amazingly they seem to have brought the front end up 2" and I've now for about 1/2" of equally (perhaps more) undesirable rear end squat. Anyone else had this issue? Possible cause? I used what seemed to be a very knowledgeable and reputable shop here in Atlanta with the OEM spacers that I personally purchased from a Toyota dealer so I'd be surprised if they messed it up. But anything is possible. What's the best way to sort this all out?
That's the right part number. They missed a step when they installed however.
Lots of techs, either out of laziness or incompetence, don't realize how important it is not toque the LCA at full suspension droop on the lift. This locks and binds the bonded bushings at full droop so they are now in tension creating added lift. It's generally not as evident with most cars that have very little suspension travel, but on a 200-series with huge travel, it's a big problem that will destroy the bushings in quick order.
They should be lowering the vehicle fully onto its tires, before torqueing the LCA and sway bar bushings per the FSM
There are a few "rookie mistakes" that I would not expect from the shop that I think you used that could explain this, and it might even take both of these to get as drastic a change as you are noting:
1) KDSS wasn't opened before work was done, or was opened and then closed before the truck was settled back on the ground. This is an easy fix if your KDSS valves aren't rusted shut. Just park on level ground, open the valves, shake the truck around a little, then close the valves.
2) They loosened the control arms in the droop position, then fully torqued them before the weight of the truck was on the ground. Slightly more difficult, but still easy, while on level ground, loosen the control arm bolts at the frame side, then re-torque. I'd probably mark the position of the camber washers with a sharpie to make sure they don't move while torqueing the bolts.
Beyond those two possibilities, I'm not sure what else could have changed.
I ❤ IH8MUD! <5 min fix. I de-pressured the KDSS, bounced on all 4 corners 2x, then tightened the KDSS. That seems to have lowered the front 1/2" each side. It's sitting at almost a perfect 35.5" in all 4 corners. I'ma call that a win. Bonus points - the previous 1/4" "LC Lean" is no more. New tires coming tomorrow.
Just to add to something @CharlieS touched on.. the spacers do indeed have an “out” mark, but if that is bungled it won’t impact ride height. All it does is put a small drain in the correct lowest spot to let water/dirt flow out of the top of the coil bucket.
I’m surprised KDSS balancing lowered the front that much but I guess stranger things have happened. Glad it is sitting better!
Might still be worth loosening the LCA and retightening just incase what others mentioned did play a factor into this? Your sway bars could be torqued to a new position now instead of the natural position. Or you could have brought them back to their neutral position and that is all it was.
FYI if you mess with the LCA bolts you are likely to impact your alignment, even if you mark the adjusting cam orientation. There is a fair amount of play between the bolt/adjuster/bushing sleeve, and when we are talking tenths of a degree at the wheel even very very small movements of the LCA bushing can shift things around a lot.
I agree I’d want to know they were torqued at ride height because if not over the long term it can destroy the bushings and that is quite an expensive repair. But be prepared for things to shift around if you loosen then re-tighten them.
Not sure if the OP has done an alignment after the spacer install, but that may be a good thing as it kills a few birds with one stone
- alignment
- resets the bushings
- they will do a zero point calibration of the traction control system which is also necessary after lifting/suspension work
I ❤ IH8MUD! <5 min fix. I de-pressured the KDSS, bounced on all 4 corners 2x, then tightened the KDSS. That seems to have lowered the front 1/2" each side. It's sitting at almost a perfect 35.5" in all 4 corners. I'ma call that a win. Bonus points - the previous 1/4" "LC Lean" is no more. New tires coming tomorrow.
What year is your 200 and mileage? Maybe your rear springs are a bit tired and just need to throw in some rear spacers to level it back out. From what I remember on the part its hard to mess em up.
Is this rear spacer an OEM option? I do not think so, but just wanted to check. My Toyota dealer installed the OEM front spacers in my 2018 base and did a good job. The spacer did what it was supposed to and leveled front and back. However, I now have a little sag when putting heavy loads/people in the back.
I know. Expected and that is the reason for the factory rake.
But I wanted the additional front "lift" for 285/65/18 tires and did not want to go the full lift route. The front is now perfect, but I would like to have the slight rake back to avoid the sagging when loaded.
Is this rear spacer an OEM option? I do not think so, but just wanted to check. My Toyota dealer installed the OEM front spacers in my 2018 base and did a good job. The spacer did what it was supposed to and leveled front and back. However, I know have a little sag when putting heavy loads/people in the back.
I know. Expected and that is the reason for the factory rake.
But I wanted the additional front "lift" for 285/65/18 tires and did not want to go the full lift route. The front is now perfect, but I would like to have the slight rake back to avoid the sagging when loaded.
I am looking at installing OEM front spacers myself.
I also will be installing airbags in the back to prevent that "Carolina lean" when towing my camper.
Hopefully I can find some that have sensors installed to actuate only when a load is attached in the back dropping the back end below a set height.
Is this rear spacer an OEM option? I do not think so, but just wanted to check. My Toyota dealer installed the OEM front spacers in my 2018 base and did a good job. The spacer did what it was supposed to and leveled front and back. However, I now have a little sag when putting heavy loads/people in the back.
I know. Expected and that is the reason for the factory rake.
But I wanted the additional front "lift" for 285/65/18 tires and did not want to go the full lift route. The front is now perfect, but I would like to have the slight rake back to avoid the sagging when loaded.
