Pure Acetone in the tank..anyone? (1 Viewer)
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This is great! So instead of buying a 55 gallon drum of Methanol for the water/Methanol injection, it would be possible to use Methyl Hydrate? What would also be nice, is Methyl Hydrate is available in one gallon containers when traveling (at least in Canada) so no need to put that barrel of the roof rack.
Bill
This doesn't come anywhere near passing a common sense reasonableness test. If adding a small quantity of a common, inexpensive hydrocarbon product were to increase fuel milage by greater than 30%, it would already be happening at the fuel pump.
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I cannot imagine that a slight increase in octane could help your fuel economy that much. I could imagine that using acetone mixed in your fuel could clean your injectors and possibly clean the combustion chambers enough to help fuel economy, but thats what that Seafoam stuff does right?
Gary
Gary
I am with Rich on this one. If acetone was a cure all for improved gas mileage Exxon/Mobil would have reformulated gas years ago. Acetone just does not have the BTU content to improve gas mileage. It might help you pass emissions thought. Don't put acetone in your gas tank....
Yea Yea I am a chemist too. Synthetic organometallic to be exact. Toluene is a common "trick" for high boost turbo applications "15 to 30 psi". Toluene is about 114 octane if my memory severs me correctly. Wear Nitrile gloves, safety glasses and have proper ventilation when handling, really hard on paint, don't spill. Toluene in applications like AKA FZJ-80 would be more likely to leave carbon deposits than improve power or mileage. I burns too slow.
On the methyl hydrate note, yeah it is methanol but watch for the water content if it is sold in regular stores by the gallon. Methanol is a severe poison wear Nitrile gloves, safety glasses and have proper ventilation if you are pouring much! Some "dry gas" is still methanol, which might be anhydrous read the bottle and look up the CAS number on the back of the bottle. If you are unsure what a CAS number is, find something else to do than playing with chemicals.
BTW, don’t add a bunch of crap to your tank looking for a 30 % improvement it won't happen. Fill it up with cheap 87 octane gas and drive/Wheel the hell out of it.
Yea Yea I am a chemist too. Synthetic organometallic to be exact. Toluene is a common "trick" for high boost turbo applications "15 to 30 psi". Toluene is about 114 octane if my memory severs me correctly. Wear Nitrile gloves, safety glasses and have proper ventilation when handling, really hard on paint, don't spill. Toluene in applications like AKA FZJ-80 would be more likely to leave carbon deposits than improve power or mileage. I burns too slow.
On the methyl hydrate note, yeah it is methanol but watch for the water content if it is sold in regular stores by the gallon. Methanol is a severe poison wear Nitrile gloves, safety glasses and have proper ventilation if you are pouring much! Some "dry gas" is still methanol, which might be anhydrous read the bottle and look up the CAS number on the back of the bottle. If you are unsure what a CAS number is, find something else to do than playing with chemicals.
BTW, don’t add a bunch of crap to your tank looking for a 30 % improvement it won't happen. Fill it up with cheap 87 octane gas and drive/Wheel the hell out of it.
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There was much talk about this on ORC a while ago, but no one got the guts to do a long term test. We also came really close to doing a comunity buy in for some one to test the Tornato! That fell through too...... oh well.
Funny, we (the outfit I work at) sell on the order of 20,000mt/year of acetone in railcars and tank trucks to all manner of outfits, but as far as I know, none of it ends up in gasoline. At least our North American Sales Manager doesn't think so.
I wonder why?
Don't be dumping stuff in your tank cause some guy says he did it and nothing bad happened!
I wonder why?
Don't be dumping stuff in your tank cause some guy says he did it and nothing bad happened!
FYI, gas/petrol already contains toluene, xylene, and acetone, so adding a few ounces of acetone to 25 gal of gas is not going to do much damage to your system IMO. I think the greatest danger is in spillin some down the side of your truck when trying to pour it into your tank.
This was discussed here a while back IIRC and there was a link to some site that discussed it in detail. Toluene and Xylene are intended to boost octane, but the cost is really not worth it; it would probably be cheaper to just buy premium unless you need REALLY high octane, but you would need to add gallons of it to a tank to make a real difference.
Acetone on the other hand is used in small quantities and can be cheap to add, assuming it does anything beneficial. IIRC, the purpose was to aid in vaporization due to it's very low boiling point. There is an optimal amount to add--add to little and there's no benefit; add too much and the benefit goes down. I think the peak was around 3-4 ounces per 10 gallons.
I tried a tankful last year and to be honest, didn't notice any real benefit. I kinda chickened out when I realized how easy it would be to spill it on the paint.;p
This was discussed here a while back IIRC and there was a link to some site that discussed it in detail. Toluene and Xylene are intended to boost octane, but the cost is really not worth it; it would probably be cheaper to just buy premium unless you need REALLY high octane, but you would need to add gallons of it to a tank to make a real difference.
Acetone on the other hand is used in small quantities and can be cheap to add, assuming it does anything beneficial. IIRC, the purpose was to aid in vaporization due to it's very low boiling point. There is an optimal amount to add--add to little and there's no benefit; add too much and the benefit goes down. I think the peak was around 3-4 ounces per 10 gallons.
I tried a tankful last year and to be honest, didn't notice any real benefit. I kinda chickened out when I realized how easy it would be to spill it on the paint.;p
Scamper,
I agree 100%.
I think it would only benefit someone with really bad injectors.
All this talk of xylene and Toluene, yuck.
Great solvents but also serious teratogins=causes birth defects
Seriously do not get on you, breath fumes or spill
I agree 100%.
I think it would only benefit someone with really bad injectors.
All this talk of xylene and Toluene, yuck.
Great solvents but also serious teratogins=causes birth defects
Seriously do not get on you, breath fumes or spill
Back when I sold to environmental labs testing for leaking underground storage tanks at gas stations, what did they test for? BTEX. Benzene, Toululene, E____(I forgot) and Xylene. These are already in gas. They are the lightest solvents in gas and therefore travel the farthest.
As for acetone, someone else can gamble their rig with it.
Good luck.
Bump.
As for acetone, someone else can gamble their rig with it.
Good luck.
Bump.
Keep in mind that there are different grades of acetone.
Doc said:
Yes - acetone has been marketed as "rubber buffer" and we used to use it in the bike shop to break down old, dried cracking sew-up tire glue on rims. The old glue more or less disappeared in the solution and left a clean rim. Also it was used to make a layer of hard but viable glue tacky enough to bond with another layer of glue so that a new tyre could be stuck on, but it was understood that you were shortening the life of the glue by using acetone.
Keep in mind we were bike racers, not rocket scientists.
it works
I finally tried acetone about a year ago, and have been using it ever since. My 1HD-T diesel gets about 15% better fuel mileage with the acetone, at a concentration of 2 oz every 10 gallons. If forget to add it at the pump, the mileage reverts back to the old numbers.
I told a friend, he'd also heard about it, so he started using it in his 1996 Audi A4 2.8 liter gasoline engine. He said he's getting consistently 20% better fuel economy. He's been doing this for about 6 months. He tried several different concentrations, but he said his optimal point is about 1.75 oz in 12 gallons of gasoline.
I finally tried acetone about a year ago, and have been using it ever since. My 1HD-T diesel gets about 15% better fuel mileage with the acetone, at a concentration of 2 oz every 10 gallons. If forget to add it at the pump, the mileage reverts back to the old numbers.
I told a friend, he'd also heard about it, so he started using it in his 1996 Audi A4 2.8 liter gasoline engine. He said he's getting consistently 20% better fuel economy. He's been doing this for about 6 months. He tried several different concentrations, but he said his optimal point is about 1.75 oz in 12 gallons of gasoline.
Be careful adding low grade or diluted acetone, period.... Also refrain from adding acetone to a fuel system which may have water already in it. It is more soluble than gasoline and may cause a little problem with the initial tank of fuel when added since it will "pick-up" any water and mix it with the gasoline to burn since it is readily soluble in both water and gasoline. Initially, it will act like an alcohol/ether which your typical gas drys are made. The end result will be a cleaner fuel system though.....
i just started running acetone in my 83bj60 with no noticable side effects yet, although its supposed to take a while to clean the crap out. i emptied my sedimenter first though and i also managed to get research grade acetone from a friend in medical research, its supposed to be 99.95 or better. i think i will run it in my 87 ford 6.9 too. ive got a syringe for it to avoid wrecking the paint. also ive read the mixture for diesel is 2 oz per 10 gal, let me know if youve heard any different.
This is always amazing to me!! My solution for you, BUY A HONDA CIVIC!!! 
As far as I see it, gas at $5 a gallon is the best value in the free world! To haul a 6,000 SUV, my wife and all three kids plus a friend pulling a 4,000 boat 12 miles for $5 is an AMAZING deal! Remember, the first drums of oil to be sold were getting more per barrel then it's going for now and whale oil was $5 a gallon!
As far as I see it, gas at $5 a gallon is the best value in the free world! To haul a 6,000 SUV, my wife and all three kids plus a friend pulling a 4,000 boat 12 miles for $5 is an AMAZING deal! Remember, the first drums of oil to be sold were getting more per barrel then it's going for now and whale oil was $5 a gallon!
