Purchase advice please...?

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I'm a hundy owner and a one banana guy. One of my sons will be spending this and possibly more winters in mountain environments and potentially doing a lot of winter driving, and sleeping in his rig sometimes. I've been shopping for a Tacoma or 4Runner on something of a budget (under $10k, tough to find). 4 cylinder, manual trans being optimal. Kid's not a wrench himself and obviously needs something that won't let him down on a snowy mountain road in the middle of nowhere.

I looked yesterday at a '95 4Runner with a rebuilt 22RE, 5 speed. It appears to have been bought by the current owner from the original owner (via a dealer) with 265k+ on the clock with the intention of fixing it and selling it for a small profit. He had the engine rebuilt plus a new clutch at a shop which is documented. The rebuild has a 1 year transferable warranty provided maintenance is down at that shop. He's asking just under $6000. CARFAX is clean and confirms the chain of ownership, though the records end 80k miles or so ago except recent change of ownership.

It drives nicely, no rattles, smooth running, easy shifting though the suspension feels a little spongy - not terrible and I'm used the firmness of an OME setup in my LC - and he acknowledges there was no suspension work done. The body is decent with a few dings and scratches commensurate with its age. Rear window switch in the console not working but does work with a key in the tailgate. All 4WD gears go in easily and without any noise. Crawling underneath I could see no signs of rust and it has spent its entire life in the PNW.

I think the seller does a few of these flips as he acknowledges a relationship with the dealer he bought it from as well as the shop that did the work. On the other hand he is encouraging a PPI at a dealership and offers to introduce me to the mechanic that did the work. I've seen what he paid for both the car and the repairs.

I'm seriously considering having a PPI done and possibly making the buy, and wonder if any of you experts see any holes in this story, have any advice for things I should be on the lookout for, or can offer me either encouragement or discouragement.

Your thoughts appreciated! Thank you.
 
nuthin'? Please? I have little confidence when it comes to making these decisions!

;)
 
If you've got that kind of money maybe look at a Tacoma. The 2.7 has a lot more power then the ol' 22re and it's just as good.
 
:meh: the old 22RE is a good motor, not a powerhouse as mudder said, but solid and dependable with oodles of aftermarket support amd is easy to work on. That is a decent price if the motor was rebuilt properly and the truck is in good shape.

With 10K to spend, you can either look at a newer truck, or take the extra 4K and do and upgrades and/or bank it for any maintenance issues that will likely pop up on a 20+ year old truck.
 
A popular swap is putting a 3rz from a newer taco in place of the 22re.
 
A popular swap is putting a 3rz from a newer taco in place of the 22re.
The direction I will go someday with my 4Runner. Right now, though, my 2dot4 is running so good I would have a hard time justifying its removal.
 
Thank you all.

I don't really have 'that kind of money' unfortunately. I have been looking at 4runners and Tacomas all over the west for months and there is an unbelievable shortage of available vehicles that are in decent shape and prices are very high when they are. Very similar to my 6 month search for the 100. I realize that the fact they hold their value so well is generally a good thing.

There are plenty that are cheaper and beat/minimally maintained, and plenty in the $15k+ that are gorgeous, but that under $10k offers very little. My concern about the Tacoma involves lots of things I've read that indicate the 4Runner is a better vehicle for slippery road conditions. Please educate me if I'm not thinking about this right.

What are things that should have been done in the rebuild to be sure it was done right? Good to know the 2.7 is as highly regarded as the 22RE. I was not aware of that. What about the 6 cylinder motor? Equally bulletproof and reliable?
 
Does he have the receipts for all the rebuild? 22re are great engines. I had one blow a head gasket around 300,xxx. kms. But if its fresh, it should be good to go. The rear frame where the 4 link attaches is the first place to rot usually so take a close look around there. 6 grand plus 2 grand for new winter offroad tires, dont get bfg muds they suck in the snow. so 8 grand plus sales taxes= almost 10g. Or do you guys pay sales taxes on vehicle in the USA?
 
Oh and put some bilstein suspension in there too.
 
Which six cylinder motor? 3.0 or 3.4? You either love or hate the 3.0 but the 3.4 is up there with the rz and re. And I didn't mean"that kind of money" in a bad way. I know the whole PNW Yota price problem.
 
^^^ I didn't take it badly, I just wanted to indicate there're definite budgetary limitations. For an 18 year old with his first car in often inclement conditions a lower powered, higher MPG mill seems to make the most sense to his dad anyway! So the 3.4 is a good one? Same sort of things to look out for in higher mileage like timing belt, head gaskets etc.?
 
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I haven't heard of them having issues with head gaskets like the 3.0 did. The 3.4 is a common swap when the 3.0 finally goes out in a truck.
 
The 3.4 is a very good engine--slightly more maintenance intensive than the 22RE, but makes up for it in fun factor. I had a 95 4runner with the 22RE--it ran down the road very nicely with the factory ~30" tires. Upgrading to 31s made it a little slow on some of the uphills between Moscow and Spokane, but it should pull Snoqualmie in 4th gear with no issues either way. I also had a 95 T100 with the 3.4--all things considered, it was less sure footed in the snow--the lighter rear end coupled with the extra power and manual transmission would be challenging for an inexperienced driver. The 4runner has ideal weight distribution, enough power, and is way easier to sleep in than a pickup. I'd get the 4runner in a heartbeat--currently looking at a 2001 3rd gen for my daughter in order to get the traction control and AWD, but I am on the east coast now and cars are cheaper out here.
 
And rustier! ;)
 
The deal sounds pretty above board to me. Only part that makes me a little hesitant is the price, it's a bit on the high side in my book for a 4Runner with nearly 300k miles on it. The rebuilt engine and 1 year warranty are pluses, and I realize there's a premium for that over the normal craigslist garbage, but personally I'd have a hard time paying $6k for it. I'm not in PNW, so 4Runners around here are cheaper, so take that with a grain of salt.
 
1999 Toyota 4runner SR5 4WD

Nice rig with a banged up bumper...worth it IMO.

2000 Toyota 4Runner Limited SR5 4x4 Sun Roof

Excellent price if it isn't a scam and doesn't have 250k or more....

1997 TOYOTA 4RUNNER SR5 4X4...JUST SERVICED...WARRANTY..!

Solid rig at a decent price

1997 TOYOTA 4RUNNER SR5 4X4...WELL MAINTANED...

Another solid one, 4cyl/auto

1997 4Runner sr5 3rz 5spd 4wd

4cyl/5spd with clearcoat issues for a solid price.

It looks like the going rate for a ~150k 3rd gen in seattle is about 8 grand, plus or minus for cosmetic issues and year. 150k is nothing for any of these engines, as long as the timing belt is done on the 3.4. For your budget, there really isn't a reason not to go with a 3rd gen--you get OBD II, airbags, more cup holders, and (if you play your cards right) AWD and traction control.
 
Thanks so much! I really have been only looking at manuals as that's what he wants. And those are a much rarer breed.

1999 Toyota 4runner SR5 4WD

Nice rig with a banged up bumper...worth it IMO.

2000 Toyota 4Runner Limited SR5 4x4 Sun Roof

Excellent price if it isn't a scam and doesn't have 250k or more....

1997 TOYOTA 4RUNNER SR5 4X4...JUST SERVICED...WARRANTY..!

Solid rig at a decent price

1997 TOYOTA 4RUNNER SR5 4X4...WELL MAINTANED...

Another solid one, 4cyl/auto

1997 4Runner sr5 3rz 5spd 4wd

4cyl/5spd with clearcoat issues for a solid price.

It looks like the going rate for a ~150k 3rd gen in seattle is about 8 grand, plus or minus for cosmetic issues and year. 150k is nothing for any of these engines, as long as the timing belt is done on the 3.4. For your budget, there really isn't a reason not to go with a 3rd gen--you get OBD II, airbags, more cup holders, and (if you play your cards right) AWD and traction control.
 
That one looks pretty nice. I do have used car dealer-phobia. I looked at some 100's there when I was shopping for mine and they weren't all they were advertised to be. That said, that one sure looks nice! Does it look like there's something weird in the first photo just in front of the passenger door or is it just a reflection? Almost looks like the photoshopped something....

1997 Toyota 4Runner Base


Ding ding ding! 4cyl 5sp with only 90k....
 
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